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Post by edju1958 on Feb 8, 2020 10:44:28 GMT -5
Geez! You’re going to be the Super EZ/Super Mini pro! I'd like to be the pro on these saws if I can get them figured out.I remember just a little over 2 yrs.ago I went to my local saw shop to buy a bunch of Homies.The guy handed me an SEZ & I thought to myself "I don't want this damn saw",but I took a few of them that day.I got the saws home & played around with the SEZ's & the more I played with them the more I fell in love with them.Everyone has their one particular model that they favor the most,& the SEZ is by far my favorite! The Super Mini is a close 2nd. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 9, 2020 20:17:26 GMT -5
I took my other troublesome SEZ all apart ignition-wise today to try to figure out just what the hell is wrong here.I cleaned the points thoroughly with cash register paper to get off any residue that might be on them,then put them back in at .015.I even turned the points lead wire around thinking it might've been grounding out.I put it all back together & still no spark.I'm beginning to think that the condenser I bought is no good. Today wasn't a total loss though as I grabbed another SEZ that was sitting in my garage & tried to start it.I found it too had no spark,but this one was an easy fix.It had the blue module in it & I had one sitting on the bench from the locked up saw that my high school buddy gave to me last spring.I put that module on & had spark again.I put some fuel in it & a few pulls later it fired right up.There's one thing that I can't quite figure out,the manual oiler pushes real hard.I don't know if there's a blockage somewhere,or if the check valve is bad. Ed
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Post by fossil on Feb 9, 2020 20:26:03 GMT -5
Put some kerosene or diesel in the oil tank and start pumping the manual oiler. Likely dried up oil in the system.
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Post by Supercharged86 on Feb 9, 2020 20:57:55 GMT -5
Geez! You’re going to be the Super EZ/Super Mini pro! I've already claimed that title. LOL.
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 9, 2020 21:04:00 GMT -5
Geez! You’re going to be the Super EZ/Super Mini pro! I've already claimed that title. LOL. I will gracefully bow out to you Steve,but remember,you've got competition! Lol Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 9, 2020 21:06:43 GMT -5
Put some kerosene or diesel in the oil tank and start pumping the manual oiler. Likely dried up oil in the system. I always cut my bar oil with kerosene.Do you want me to run clear kerosene?I think the auto oiler is working,I'll check on that tomorrow. Ed
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Post by fossil on Feb 9, 2020 21:57:41 GMT -5
I could never figure the manual oilers on the little guys. The auto oilers puke enough oil for a 30" bar. Maybe just tradition.
Just fiddling around with an XL-1 today the oil on the newspaper would make the EPA cringe.
Clear kerosene would be better to clear the manual oiler system up.
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 9, 2020 22:21:52 GMT -5
There were a lot of old timers out there like my dad who didn't trust the auto oilers.My dad used to say "with an automatic oiler you don't know if the chain is getting oil or not,with the manual oiler you know the chain is getting oil".So of course when he bought me my first chainsaw it had to have a manual oiler,even though he never used it.I found that if I use the manual assist I'll run out of oil in no time.I've always thought that the SEZ oil tanks were way too small for my liking. Ed
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Post by rowdy235 on Feb 9, 2020 22:28:58 GMT -5
If there’s one downside to the SEZ its definitely the oil tank size. I’ve never had an issue with the auto oiler on mine, but I do like the ability to be able to add oil manually when needed, I always like to give it a couple pumps before firing it up for the first time, makes sure the chain has oil right away.
Let us know what you find out, I’ve seen them get pretty gummed up from oil oil in them before.
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 11, 2020 13:57:54 GMT -5
I've got another runner! I picked up the carcass that I'd stripped the ignition system out of a few weeks ago.The points that were in it were beyond being saved.I put a new set of points in it along with one of my best used condensers & lo & behold,I had spark! I gave a shot of fuel in the carb & it fired up.I figured I'd put some fuel in the tank & see what happens.Within 2 pulls it fired up & was running a bit on the rough side though.I checked the needle settings & found the hi to be lean at 3/4 turn out.I increased that to 1 1/4 turns out & stepped up the idle a half turn & it idles & revs up beautifully! I think I robbed the manual oil plunger innards out for another saw,so now I need to find a manual oil pump plunger spring.I also need an oil cap & a bar & chain.I'll probably rob that stuff off a non-runner for now. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 11, 2020 18:09:41 GMT -5
I ended up robbing the oiler pump parts I needed from a parts saw.I found a nice bar & chain too.I went to use the manual oiler & I heard air bubbles & air sucking.It's a good thing the air filter & cover were still off,the check valve in the air box is leaking.I remember this saw from last summer - a damn good runner,but oiler problems.I'm going to try to use some Seal All on it & see if that works. I had 2 SEZ's that I couldn't get spark on if my life depended on it.Well today I finally got spark on the one.I was tearing my hair out trying to figure out why I couldn't get spark,it was due to a faulty NOS condenser I'd recently bought.I took a reading on it & it was lower than some older used ones that came off the SEZ's.I suspect that the other SEZ that has no spark has the same problem,I'll find out tomorrow.This particular saw was laying in my garage for the past 1 1/2 yrs.because I couldn't get the points to stay locked in position due to a screw boss being partially stripped out.I'd bought some 6-32 helicoils with intentions of putting one in,but because either the package came with a hole in it,or from moving around on the work bench,the helicoils got lost.I didn't think the boss was in that bad of shape,so I put a longer condenser screw in the hole & the points hold in place now like they should.Now I've got to put a carb on it & see how it goes from there.I'm starting to run low on SEZ's.Lol
When the weather breaks I'll get all my EZ's,Super Mini's,& SEZ's out for a family portrait. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 12, 2020 18:47:28 GMT -5
I finally got spark on the last SEZ that was giving me all kinds of trouble trying to get spark.What I finally did today was put a new set of points in the saw along with a new condenser that I got in the mail today from Leon.I can't tell you folks how many times I've had that points box out of that saw.Once it had spark I had to see if it'd fire up.I put some fuel in the carb & it popped.Next I put fuel in the tank to see if it'd draw fuel on it's own,that didn't happen.I've got 2 carbs to pull & 3 to rebuild.As soon as I get the new coil & core from Feebay I'll be working on the Super Mini too.I surely am running out of SEZ's to work on.Lol Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 14, 2020 19:22:53 GMT -5
OK,I put a newly rebuilt carb on one of the SEZ's remaining.This saw has had good spark right from the beginning.I put 2 different rebuilt carbs on the saw & in both instances the saw fired up,but ran really rich.I checked the metering lever in both carbs before reassembling.I'm wondering if this could be either a dirty points situation,or a reed valve problem?Advice welcome. Ed
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Post by onlyhomelites on Feb 14, 2020 22:39:19 GMT -5
A reed valve typically shows itself at idle...as in no idle and immediate flood out. The bad reeds I've come across usually allow the saw to scream at full throttle.
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 14, 2020 23:27:57 GMT -5
OK thanks Leon for that insight on the reed.So I guess I can eliminate that on the SEZ.As soon as I can get the stubborn FW off I'll check the points. Funny you should mention the symptoms of a bad reed because that's exactly what my SXL-130 is doing - screaming at WOT & won't idle.Not sure if it's flooding out though. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 15, 2020 20:02:15 GMT -5
Not exactly heaven in SEZ land today.I pulled the flywheel finally & had a look at the points,they were terrible.I cleaned them up good with emery cloth & put them back in & gapped them at .015.The saw had beautiful blue spark.I filled it with fuel & gave a few pulls & it fired up,but died almost immediately.I thought maybe it was a bad plug,so I put another new plug in & it wouldn't even pop.I noticed that the air box had a substantial amount of fuel in it.That makes me think I have a reed problem here.Any thoughts? Ed
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Post by rowdy235 on Feb 15, 2020 23:29:33 GMT -5
Sure sounds like reeds to me Ed, pry caused it to flood out on you. I’d at least give them a quick look
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 16, 2020 10:37:53 GMT -5
Sure sounds like reeds to me Ed, pry caused it to flood out on you. I’d at least give them a quick look That's my plan Rowdy.I'm just trying to figure out how & why the reeds are giving me problems.I guess I'll find out when I pull the carb & reeds (hopefully).Out of all the SEZ's I have this is the 1st one that's given me a reed problem & only the 2nd saw out of all the saws I own that's given me a reed problem.A bad reed is not an easy thing to diagnose either IMHO. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 16, 2020 15:21:37 GMT -5
I pulled the carb & thought I'd found the problem.I used a rubber band to hold the carb gasket on & when I had the carb mounted & I cut the rubber band I didn't get the whole thing out.After getting the pieces out I mounted the carb again & I had the saw running,but it was screaming & I couldn't get it tuned down no matter what I did.I put another carb on & then the saw wouldn't start at all.These are all classic symptoms of the reed valve having something wrong.Now in order to pull the reeds on this wonderful little saw I believe I have to pull the rear handle assembly.I've tried using a thin walled socket to no avail & an off set screwdriver too,also to no avail.I'm setting this SEZ aside for now as it's really beginning to get to me.I've got a couple more SEZ's to take it's place. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 16, 2020 19:51:11 GMT -5
I got another SEZ running,but it definitely needs crank seals.I moved on to what I thought was the last SEZ. I couldn't even get the saw to pop.It acted like it wanted to & the saw has a ton of compression & spark,but no pop. I went a searching for the one SEZ that's been hiding so far - the one with the stripped out plug threads.I still haven't found it,but I found yet another SEZ.This one was an easy fix.It needed to have the decompression assembly repaired,it was in the handle.It wouldn't lock the throttle pin,so I took the handle half off to have a look.I had no idea what I was looking for because I've never had the SEZ throttle assembly in the handle apart before.To the SEZ parts pile.I got a rear handle assembly & took one of the handle halves off & found that whoever worked on the other saw previously had no idea what they were doing.They put a short screw in the part that controls how fast the start up will be.They didn't look in the handle or at an IPL to figure out what was needed.In fact what was needed was a longer screw & a spring.Once I put those parts into the handle & the throttle lock assembly & made some minor adjustments,the throttle lock & decompression are all working properly now.Before I even got started I put a clamp on the throttle lock to hold the decompression valve in place & I gave the carb a shot of fuel & it fired up.I'll put some fuel in it tomorrow & see if it runs.I'll also continue to look for that elusive saw that needs to have the plug hole rethreaded.I've lost count on how many SEZ's I have,but I've got a lot more runners now than I did before!
Ed
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