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Post by edju1958 on Jan 21, 2020 14:08:46 GMT -5
I got the SEZ to fire up & run that I was working on yesterday.I had to re-attach the plug boot & spring to the high tension lead after it pulled off while trying to check for spark.I'm really surprised it ran at all since it had old fuel in it.I dumped it out & put in fresh fuel & within about 8-10 pulls it fired up,but it won't idle.I took a peek at the diaphragms in it & they looked pretty ugly.I put a new fuel filter in it & it ran better ,but still no idle.I pulled the carb for a rebuild & I'll let you all know how that worked out.I also put a much better almost new chain on it from a seized SEZ. Ed
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Post by rowdy235 on Jan 21, 2020 21:42:39 GMT -5
Good deal Ed! Always good when a project comes together
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Post by edju1958 on Jan 22, 2020 18:09:32 GMT -5
My SEZ heave has quickly turned to SEZ purgatory.I worked on several SEZ's today with no good results.The carb I put on the saw I was working on yesterday turned out to be a bad carb.I think the check valve is bad.So I took the kit out of that carb & put it in another carb,that carb won't draw fuel. Move on to another SEZ that has no spark.I pulled the flywheel & found that the points weren't breaking at all.I was starting to loose my patience with that saw & moved on to another saw. This next SEZ kinda threw me a bit.It didn't have a coil & I didn't see a wire for the points,so I thought that maybe it had gotten pulled out of the points box somehow.I pulled that flywheel & found that it must be an electronic saw as there was no points box.I figured "great,I've got an electronic ignition module here I can put on & a coil wire.I found the module without a problem,but I couldn't find the plug wire to save my life. Now I moved onnto SEZ # 4.This is one of the herd I picked up the other day & it looked to be in real good shape.I figuired I'd check for spark first.I have never had a plug put in so tight that I couldn't break it loose with a scrench.I was almost ready to get the breaker bar out,but finally it gave way.It might've been the original plug - A Champion DJ6J.I checked the saw for spark,it has great spark.I dumped out the old fuel & put in fresh fuel & pulled 10 times - that's my limit.Then I primed the saw several times.It fired up after each prime,but died as soon as that fuel was used up.I finally pulled the carb & [ulled it apart.I see why it wouldn't start running on it's own - the diaphragms were as hard as a board. I'll rebuild this carb tomorrow & see if I can get this saw to run.I'll also work on cleaning up the points on the other SEZ & see if I can get spark on it.That is the first red SEZ that I had to pull the flywheel on to work on the points.All the other SEZ's had good spark,or were electronic. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Jan 23, 2020 18:55:20 GMT -5
Today I got a late start due to a dr.appointment at the wound care clinic.I rebuilt the carb that I'd pulled off one of the better SEZ's yesterday & put it back on today.The saw starts & idles beautifully,but when I rev it up on high it'll run for a few seconds & then just abruptly quit.I've been told that this is a points & condenser issue which is making perfect sense to me.The saw is in beautiful condition & I couldn't understand why someone would just abandon it. I pulled another SEZ apart that was seized & the points in it were like new.I'm assuming that the condenser is new too,so tomorrow I'll pull the flywheel on the saw in question & check the points & condenser on it.It's great having these parts saws for a mere $20 bill.For that $20 I've got points,condenser,coil,on/off switch,clutch,drum,bearing,race,oil pump,carb,air filter,AF cover,air box,flywheel,oil & fuel caps,bar & chain,fuel tank,etc. Ed
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Post by rowdy235 on Jan 23, 2020 23:12:14 GMT -5
Sounds like you are back in SEZ heaven Ed, lol. Love it when a project comes together.
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Post by edju1958 on Jan 24, 2020 21:22:51 GMT -5
Today I worked on a couple more SEZ's.The first one was one I had laying around for a while,electronic ignition.I couldn't get any spark on it,it had really low compression anyway.Another parts saw.The next one I worked on was the last one from the new herd.It was missing the throttle lock pin & spring,no problem,I just went to my magic bag 'o goodies & pulled out the parts.I put it together,but the decomp valve still wasn't working.I pulled the muffler to get a better look & found that there was a screw missing that holds the decomp lever plate.Back to the magic bag 'o goodies & put the screw in where it belonged & everything was working as it should.I put fuel in the saw & a few pulls later it fired up,but was running very rough,almost like it was too rich,but it wasn't the carb.I figured it was the points,so I pulled the flywheel & what a mess there was under it.It was packed full of sawdust & oil.I pulled the points cover & was shocked that the saw even fired let alone run.I never saw a points box so full of oil.It couldn't have been from a bad crank seal,there was too much oil.I know the oiler was working kinda overboard.It's a good thing I've got an extra set of points because those points were beyond filing or sanding.I tried to clean them up with emery cloth,but to no avail.I can't believe the price of points on Feebay.By the time I pay shipping & taxes they're over $10.I guess I'll have to check in with Bob Johnson to see how much he's getting these days.I've got one more saw to check for points & that's the last Super Mini I got earlier this week.Hopefully they're nowhere near the condition that this saw was in. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Jan 25, 2020 20:32:29 GMT -5
Today I surely felt more like I was in SEZ hell.I put the points back in the saw & when I was hooking the points lead wire onto the coil the connector broke off the wire.I stripped the wire & put a new connector on & set the coil air gap & had no spark.I pulled everything all apart again & found that when I oiled the felt I got oil on the points.I cleaned all the oil up,put everything back together again & still have no spark.I had plenty of spark before I cleaned the points.Could the condenser have gone bad just like that?I've got new condensers ordered from Leon & I'm thinking of getting new points too. On a lighter note,I pulled the flywheel on the newer Super Mini & found the points to be like new.Of course this saw has to have a Phelon system,every saw I have has a Wico system with the exception of my blue EZ.Leon you're getting a nice order from me.Lol Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Jan 26, 2020 18:16:41 GMT -5
I pulled the saw apart again today hoping to get spark on it,but to no avail once again.I've come to the conclusion that it's got to be a bad condenser.I've got one ordered with Leon. Now this one really burns my butt.I got an 8-32 helicoil kit thinking that's what size the screws were for the front handle.I didn't need to drill out the holes at all,which I thought to be rather odd.I just tapped the holes & put the helicoils in.Now you'd think that even though I used the wrong size helicoils that they should at least accept an 8-32 screw,but that's not the case.I had a couple of 6-32 screws laying there from a coil mount & they fit perfectly.I've used the 8-32 helicoils before without a problem.Maybe the 6-32 screws are actually 8-32's?The SEZAO IPL says that the coil mount screws are 6-32.I'm a little baffled on this one. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 2, 2020 18:06:27 GMT -5
I finally got the correct helicoil kit (10-32) for the bottom of the handle mounting & put them in today.I also had to locate a good handle bracket,the one that was on the saw wobbled too much for my liking.I got it all together & thought "hell,I wonder if I can get lucky by just putting fuel in this saw & not have to pull the carb".I got lucky! The saw fired up & ran well after a prime.I put a nice bar on it & a fairly used up chain that I had laying nearby.The only thing that's not working is either of the oilers,but that's easy enough to at least fix the manual oiler.I've got another SEZ runner! Pics to follow. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 3, 2020 21:05:07 GMT -5
I got the manual oiler working.I'll look at what it'll take to get the auto oiler going at a more opportune time.I forgot to take my phone with me to take pics,I'll try to remember tomorrow. I went through a nice HDC carb today that came off one of the parts saws,hope fully this one will work on the saw that I fiddled with today.It acted like it had an air leak somewhere.If that's the case it'll either be crank seals,or cylinder gasket.I hope it's just in the carb.Does anyone have a seal that crosses from the Homelite part # 65019?
Ed
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Post by onlyhomelites on Feb 3, 2020 21:32:00 GMT -5
SKF 4913...I've personally used this one, so I know it works.
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 4, 2020 21:11:11 GMT -5
Thanks Leon! I can't believe the prices on the crank seals for the SEZ's.I did fiond some that were reasonably prioced at Motion Ind.($6.63 ea.),but they want $10 to ship.'Lil Red Barn came in at $9.99 ea.+ $3 shippiong.I thought the bearing houses that were here in the Buffalo area had all gone out of business,but a quick search online & I found that Acme bearing & Buffalo bearing are still around.There was another - Niagara bearing,but I believe that Acme bought them out.I'll be doing some phone calls tomorrow. I put the new condenser on the Super Mini & got it all back together & still no spark.When I got this saw I thought it rather odd that there was no sawdust or oil under the FW or on the fins.The saw is basically new.It has compression like a new saw too.I checked the coil out & the primary was wide open with readings all over the place.The secondary had no reading at all.I'm wondering if the coil was no good right from the start.This is a Phelon system,so I don't have another good coil to just pop on,unless the one I got for my blue EZ will work.I'll have to take a look at part #'s. I put a new condenser on another SEZ because I couldn't get any spark on it after cleaning up the points.I was about to put the FW back on & noticed that there was no Woodruff key on the crankshaft.It took me quite a while to get one in place & get the FW on.I have to mount the coil & plug the wires in & set the air gap.I hope after all of that that it has spark. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 5, 2020 9:40:02 GMT -5
I had one helluva time last night getting the retaining clip out of the coil on the Super Mini.It finally came out after about an hr.of messing with it.Now the core has to come out of the coil.I got it to move last night,but it acts like it's seized in there.I found an old coil that I think is good,but it doesn't have the core.If this doesn't work I might try the cheap Chinese Husky coil. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 5, 2020 18:41:44 GMT -5
I can't use the cheap Chinese Husky coil because it's a points saw.Nothing went right today with the Super Mini.I had to beat the armature out of the coil & of course the wire that comes out of the back of the coil & attaches to the armature had to break off flush with the back of the coil.When I tried to put the armature into the other coil it just wouldn't fit.It was about 1/8-1/4 in.too wide.I found a new coil & armature (part # 68256 & 68255) for sale by the same guy for less than $18.The saw will then have like new points,a new condenser,& a new coil.If I don't get spark on it then the FW would have to be in question. Ed
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Post by alec on Feb 6, 2020 0:16:54 GMT -5
MRO supply had seals for about $5 each. I ordered some back in December from them. Shipping is free on orders over $20. I just ordered several seals for my super ez and my 925.
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 6, 2020 8:58:05 GMT -5
MRO supply had seals for about $5 each. I ordered some back in December from them. Shipping is free on orders over $20. I just ordered several seals for my super ez and my 925. Thanks Alec! This place is just what I've been looking for. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 6, 2020 17:42:08 GMT -5
I couldn't really get much done today as I had a late a.m.appointment.I went through my pile of SERZ's & fopund one that needed a little attention.The handle mount bracket was just too loose for my comfort.I've found on several of the SEZ's I have that the holes in the bracket for the shoulder screrws get worn over time.I also noticed on a couple SEz's that they put some type of rubber "washer/spacer" in the holes on the bracket that the shoulder bolts sit on,this helps to take up any "slop" there might be.I wish I knew the part # so I could get a bunch of them.Anyhow,the shoulder screws were quite a feat to get loose.I had to heat them with my heat gun & beat them & use a big screwdriver inserted in a scrench to get enough torque to break them loose on the saw I was repairing & the donor saw too.I was happy with the end results - a nice tight fitting handle with no play.And of course I had to see if the saw would fire up,& it did,very nicely I might add.Tomorrow I'll do some coil testing to see why I can't get any spark on 2 SEZ's.They have like new points,new condensers,point gap set properly,& coil air gap set properly as well,but still no spark.I might have to resort to chipping them. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 7, 2020 11:14:38 GMT -5
I found after going through 3 or 4 SEZ IPL's that there is a grommet that was put in the handle bracket,part # 64473,& I found that Leon has them.I have several of them ordered for my SEZ's.All this time I thought that the holes in the handle bracket were worn,some of them might've been worn due to not having the grommets. Onward to repair more SEZ's! Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 8, 2020 10:25:13 GMT -5
I'm definitely in SEZ hell.I've got 2 SEZ's that I can't get spark on if my life depended on it & a Super Mini too.I've got another SEZ that has great spark & after putting the 2nd carb on it it still won't pull fuel.I don't know if it's got a reed valve issue or not,but that's my next thing I'll have a look at if I can get the reed out. The Super Mini I put a new coil on that I've had here for about a yr.- A65289,& still no spark. The other 2 SEZ's I can't get spark on.One SEZ in particular is really got me flustered.I've put a new condenser on it,cleaned the points (they're almost new),eliminated the switch,& changed out the coil,& I still can't get spark.The next thing to do is replace the points lead wire to the coil & possibly replace the flywheel if replacing the points lead doesn't work. Ed
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Post by xl130 on Feb 8, 2020 10:32:38 GMT -5
Geez! You’re going to be the Super EZ/Super Mini pro!
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