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Post by edju1958 on Feb 17, 2020 18:22:52 GMT -5
I got another SEZ running today.It was the saw that we thought needed a reed valve transplant.I picked up the saw & it fired up within 2 pulls.I had to knock the idle down a bit & readjust the needle settings & it runs great! It must've been the threat of the enema that got it's attention & it straightened out.Lol The saw that I couldn't get to pop yesterday has no spark.I pulled the recoil off & I guess I forgot to tighten the coil mounting screws,but I don't understand how I had spark on it last week.I reset the air gap & tightened the screws & still no spark.I know I put one of the old condensers in it,so maybe that's the problem. You're not going to believe this,but I found 3 or 4 more SEZ's.Lol I think I'll have to go back to the saw shop to get more SEZ's for parts.One of the SEZ's has a black painted steel handle & the rest of the saw is black & red.It's an older version of the SEZ.It needs a coil & a recoil too.It looks like I might have enough SEZ work to get me through the rest of the month. Ed
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Post by rowdy235 on Feb 17, 2020 19:09:48 GMT -5
Ed, I think at this point you could open an SEZ Museum, good work!
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 17, 2020 19:35:45 GMT -5
I found out a little bit ago that one of the saws I found earlier is an EZ,it says so right on the tag.I found a recoil for it,but it says SEZ,& I'm pretty sure I have a coil for it too.The compression is not bad,but not that great either.It has the carb,AF cover & AF.I believe it's manual oiler only.It also needs a drivecase cover. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 18, 2020 18:16:53 GMT -5
It seems that I'll be in need of a new flywheel,upon further inspection I noticed that someone had a field day with this little guy once upon a time ago,there are 3 fins broke off.I also found out after getting the FW off that it has a Phelon system,so I don't have a coil for it after all.The points were burnt pretty bad,but I did manage to clean them up.I tested the condenser & it tested just a hair over 18 Mf.The new condenser I got in the mail today tested a little better at 18.7 Mf.I don't know if the Phelon condensers just test low normally,or if I've got 3 that tested on the low side.I got a new coil & armature for my Super Mini & I'm sure I can use it on the EZ just to see if I can get spark on it.This little bugger is going to prove to be quite a challenge,I can see it now.BTW,I hate the Phelon system.Lol Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 19, 2020 22:56:25 GMT -5
I didn't get any saw work done today at all & I felt like a fish out of water.I've got lots of parts that came in the mail yesterday & I've got more coming tomorrow. As for the last SEZ that I got running & we thought it was a reed problem,I was told today by a trusted parts supplier who's been working on saws for well over 45 yrs.that the rings might've been seized.The saw ran like crap the day before & I let it set overnight.I went out the next day & it fired up on the 2nd pull.It ran kinda rough at first,but then straightened out & I had to make a couple of carb adjustments.I have 2 more SEZ's that are exhibiting the same symptoms,one I haven't pulled the carb yet & the other is spitting fuel back out of the carb quite a bit to the point there's a fairly good sized puddle in the air box.The latter saw I'd say is definitely a reed valve issue.Looking at the IPL it's possible that the gasket might be bad.I won't know till I get into it next week.I'm going to try to pick up a couple more SEZ's either tomorrow or Fri.for parts. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 20, 2020 17:58:05 GMT -5
I guess I chose the wrong word when I said the rings were seized,I should've said the rings were stuck. I got those other 2 SEZ's running fairly well considering that one needs crank seals & it looks like the other has a reed problem.I've got one more that the spark is weak on,so a new condenser will be installed tomorrow.I know there are 2 more SEZ's in my pile 'o saws,I just have to locate them.Plus my EZ that I'm pretty sure I'm going to convert over to Wico.I didn't get to the saw shop[ today,I'm hoping tomorrow. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 21, 2020 20:39:07 GMT -5
Funny thing happened at the saw shop today.I got my 2 parts SEZ's,or so I thought.I got them home & went over saw #1,it was missing the handle.I tried the recoil & I felt it move a bit & I wondered if it was just in the recoil why the saw didn't turn over.I took the recoil off & the flywheel turned around with no problems.Next I pulled the muffler & the piston & cylinder were fine with no scoring.The next thing I did was to check for spark,it had some,but not consistent.I figured it was due to dirty points. Saw #2 was definitely a parts saw,it was seized.I pulled it apart & the piston was burnt terribly.I checked the needles on the carb & lo was only out 1/2 turn & hi was about 3/4 turn out.The carb was set too lean & that's what burned it up. So I set out to get 2 parts saws & got one parts saw & one possible runner.Lol
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 22, 2020 22:04:25 GMT -5
I've got 3 SEZ's that I'm working on right now.Saw #1 we thought had a reed problem,but it's been my experience that a saw with a reed valve issue will not idle worth a damn.The saw idles great,it just seems to load up on the high end,so I'm going to rule this one as a bad check valve.I'll try a different carb tomorrow. Then there's saw #2.This saw has definite crank seal issues.It's impossible to tune it & when I do the tip test it either races like hell,or cuts right out.I'll try to put in an order with MRO Supply on Mon.for new crank seals. That brings us to saw #3 which I believe to definitely be a reed valve problem.I've got great spark & compression,yet I'm constantly fouling out the plug.I went through about 6 plugs today,new & known good used ones.It might also be a weak condenser which I'll try before I move on to the reeds.I put a used condenser in the saw to get spark because the new ones I bought turned out to be bad.Correct me if I'm wrong,but shouldn't the spark be blue & not white or yellow?That'll be 2 condensers to change out tomorrow.Then I'll move on to my Super Mini & EZ. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 23, 2020 20:18:30 GMT -5
Things didn't quite work out the way I'd anticipated.I put the Super Mini back together with the new condenser & coil.I now have spark,but I can't get the saw to pop.That saw goes into the "puzzling pile" for now.There were 2 different coils that were used on the Phelon system saws,65286 & 65204.The IPL only calls for the 65286 & vthat's what's on the saw now.It has plenty of compression & spark,so why won't it at least pop? The SEZ that we thought was seized & I bought it for parts originally.Today I pulled the flywheel & could not understand how those points could produce any spark,they were drenched with oil,probably because whoever was in the saw previously didn't put a felt washer between the seal & the points box.I cleaned the points & put in my last NOS condenser I had on hand.I put it all back together & had spark galore.The saw came with no handle so I put one on from the seized SEZ & found that one of the bosses on the bottom needs a helicoil.I put some fuel in the carb & it fired,but won't pull fuel on it's own.I pulled the carb & both pump & metering diaphragm are good - soft & pliable.Of course when I pulled the carb half the gasket stayed on the carb & the other half stayed on the intake manifold.I got the gasket cleaned off the carb,but on the intake it's proving to be a PITA to remove.Tomorrow will bring new challenges I'm sure. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 24, 2020 19:43:07 GMT -5
This last SEZ that I worked on today was quite different top say the least.One of the star head screws that holds the crankcase to the engine was loose yesterday,so I tightened it,but it loosened up again today,it'll need some Loctite.The saw started after I had to put a new fuel line in it,the old one kept splitting when I tried to put it on the fuel inlet on the carb.The only way the saw would stay running was to put it on it's side.That tells me it's in dire need of crank seals,that was the worst leaking crank seal I've seen on an SEZ to date.I'm up to 3 SEZ's now that need seals. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 26, 2020 0:38:15 GMT -5
Yesterday a.m.I was successful in changing the Phelon system over to a Wico system in the EZ.I got spark so I put some fuel in the little guy & it fired up nicely.I'll fix the wobbly handle mount bracket first,then I'll see if the saw will run without a carb rebuild. I now have 2 more EZs to add to my collection from my newest acquisition.I'll be going through them later in the week. Ed
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Post by Supercharged86 on Feb 26, 2020 15:45:19 GMT -5
Yesterday a.m.I was successful in changing the Phelon system over to a Wico system in the EZ.I got spark so I put some fuel in the little guy & it fired up nicely.I'll fix the wobbly handle mount bracket first,then I'll see if the saw will run without a carb rebuild. I now have 2 more EZs to add to my collection from my newest acquisition.I'll be going through them later in the week. Ed
Hey Ed, Just an FYI. I know the Wico condensers are readily available but the Phelon condenser is usually cheaper and will work just fine in it's place (has the same specs). I do it all the time. Just requires a tiny modification. In fact, it's the only one I buy. Cheers.
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 26, 2020 18:24:21 GMT -5
Yesterday a.m.I was successful in changing the Phelon system over to a Wico system in the EZ.I got spark so I put some fuel in the little guy & it fired up nicely.I'll fix the wobbly handle mount bracket first,then I'll see if the saw will run without a carb rebuild. I now have 2 more EZs to add to my collection from my newest acquisition.I'll be going through them later in the week. Ed
Hey Ed, Just an FYI. I know the Wico condensers are readily available but the Phelon condenser is usually cheaper and will work just fine in it's place (has the same specs). I do it all the time. Just requires a tiny modification. In fact, it's the only one I buy. Cheers. What modification would that be Steve?
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 26, 2020 18:29:41 GMT -5
I'm afraid that all the work on this little EZ was for nothing.I put fuel in the saw & gave it a prime & a few pulls later it was running so sweet.I went to put new grommets in the handle bar bracket & it broke loose from the saw.I don't think even JB Weld will fix this one.The only way I can see it getting fixed is to pull the drivecase off & replace it with another.I have 2 other EZ's to go through,so maybe I can just use this one for parts.I was totally pissed about this. Ed
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Post by onlyhomelites on Feb 26, 2020 21:28:34 GMT -5
That sucks!
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Post by rowdy235 on Feb 26, 2020 22:00:13 GMT -5
That’s a bummer, you win some you lose some, but it doesn’t make it any easier.
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 26, 2020 22:23:46 GMT -5
I've been giving this some thought & there are a couple of options.1) I can take it somewhere & see about getting it welded.My neighbor is a retired welder & this would be right up his alley.2) There's a product out called Blue Demon where you heat the metat to be repaired to 600 degrees & use a special rod & let it melt the 2 pieces together.It's supposed to be stronger than the original metal.I've got to find out what the temp is that ignites magnesium.Here's a pic of what happened. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Mar 2, 2020 18:00:19 GMT -5
I had another SEZ that wouldn't fire up for squat.I pulled the ignition system apart yesterday & today I put a new condenser in it.I put it all back together & one pull later it was running.A little tuning on the carb & a nice bar & chain & I've got another nice runner.I think that makes either 9 or 10 now.I've got a few more,but they need crank seals,& one needs seals & one of the screws that holds the crankcase to the engine keeps backing out,so a little Loctite is in order. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Mar 3, 2020 22:58:48 GMT -5
Today was almost spring-like here & I got a couple of saws out that I needed to test & cut some wood that had been laying over by the woodpile since last fall & summer.Yes,one of the saws was an SEZ & it needs work.Lol It'll sit there & idle nicely all day,but try to throttle it up & it dies.This is probably another condenser issue.I've never had so many bad ones as I've had on these SEZ's.Of course these SEZ's have probably been laying around for the past 25 yrs.or longer. I'm in the process of reviving yet another EZ automatic.The throttle lock pin & spring are missing,so I'll have to dig into the SEZ bag 'o goodies & fish them out & put back on the saw.The saw was pretty dirty & I spent a good amt.of time cleaning off the old oil & dirt,but it started looking fairly decent.I pulled the ignition system out because it didn't have any spark.The points were tarnished pretty bad,but I got 'em looking like new.I put a new condenser in too just because I don't like pulling the flywheel more than once.I'll put the ignition back in tomorrow & hopefully it'll have spark,then it'll possibly be on to the carb.The only thing that was missing,other than the throttle lock pin was the front handle.I'm trying to get a SEZ handle to fit,not sure if it will. Ed
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Post by edju1958 on Mar 4, 2020 18:43:40 GMT -5
I had to abandon that EZ for now,it has spark & compression,but no pop.Maybe it has to have the decompression valve hooked up? I've got another SEZ that has been giving me problems with the check valve on the manual oiler leaking since last summer.I got to the point whern I looked at the saw it was irritating me that it ran like a top,but wouldn't oil.I tried using Seal All on it,but that didn't work.Today I pulled the rear handle/air box assembly off & I've got another one to go on. Ed
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