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Post by rowdy235 on Jun 19, 2008 21:41:05 GMT -5
Project is delayed due to clutch issues.
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Post by billg on Jun 20, 2008 0:33:36 GMT -5
What issues are you having?
Bill
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Post by rowdy235 on Jun 20, 2008 17:18:05 GMT -5
New clutch won't fit. Here are the numbers, i'm 90% sure they are correct.
New Clutch- takes 7/16"-20 Old Clutch- takes 3/8"-20
Crankshaft- 3/8-20 Drum inner Diameter- 2 3/4"
Anybody know what the deal is? Is there two different clutches?
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Post by billg on Jun 21, 2008 1:29:35 GMT -5
I have an idea of what the problem is but it is about 1:30AM and I do not want to go out and tear in to one now. Saturday night I will pull apart a few and take some measurements. By then I am sure someone else will have found the answer.
Bill
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Post by billg on Jun 23, 2008 13:03:03 GMT -5
I believe the clutch you got as a replacement is for a Xl-101 and others. It will appear to be the same as the SEZ clutch but the XL-101 has a .4375 crank thread. The SEZ is .375. I am going to try to post of picture of the 2 clutches so you can see them side by side. Bill
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Post by RBW on Jun 23, 2008 22:40:48 GMT -5
THE CORRECT CLUTCH FOR THE UT 104313 IS AN S TYPE CLUTCH - PART NO. 68362. ONCE YOU GET THE CLUTCH OFF, THROW IT BACK IN THE DUMPSTER AND INSTALL A NEW CLUTCH WITH A WORKING BEARING. MICHAEL Something is amiss, I need to reasearch where things went wrong and sort this out.........
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Post by RBW on Jun 23, 2008 22:50:09 GMT -5
WOW!
This is confusing as hell. What was the PN stamped in the clutch I sent you?
I have found two similar clutches in my goodies with different sized holes both marked 68362?
WasDadeal?
PM me your addy, I may have sent you the wrong one by mistake.
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Post by billg on Jun 23, 2008 23:51:55 GMT -5
I had a guy coming 1100 miles down out of Canada to get a load of saws today and he was running behind do to all of our closed/flooded roads. I had some time while I waited so I pulled some saws off the shelves. The 2 clutches I pictured were pulled from the respective saws. Now actually I do have to clarify that. The 3/8 bore was on a blue EZ but I believe I checked it before against the later SEZ and it was the same.
Bill
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Post by billg on Jun 24, 2008 0:20:42 GMT -5
I just dug around through the all the Homelite binders I have looking at IPL's. Yes the part number is 68362 but the member left off the 1A. Those revision numbers are very important on Homelite parts, Those of you that work on the larger Homelites know the fiasco the 55076 number is. All I could find for IPL's on the SEZ was Rev 3. I need to see a original or Rev 2. I did notice the same number was on the 150 but was noted as a new part number. The real kick in the shorts was the XL-101 did not even show a S clutch. I am not sure what to do next. I have to go chase scaffold and concrete equipment in a few hours but maybe Wednesday I can pull down a few more and have a look.
Bill
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Post by lesorubcheek on Jun 24, 2008 8:23:45 GMT -5
I pilfered a bit through IPLs to see what other saw might indeed use a 68362 S-clutch. I found that the 350 used 68362-4! So, here's one candiate that I believe has the same threads as a XL1xx that can explain where the clutch with larger threads could have came from. An EZ IPL shows it used 68362-1 and as Bill pointed out he knows of a -1A designation, so here we go with another example of the relevence of those pesky dash revision number/letters. Problem is, based on the photos, I can't see any revision dashes after the numbers.... Maybe, somewhere in an IPL, is an indication of a 68362 with no dash, or maybe when the number was put on the part, the dash revision was omitted.
Dan
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Post by rowdy235 on Jun 24, 2008 14:32:48 GMT -5
Okay, first let me thank everybody for helping me get this clutch sorted out, you guys are lifesavers.
Look at the pic Bill posted. The new clutch is identical to the one on the right, p/n 68362. The one on the left, appears to have a smaller shaft bore, and that looks like the one I need.
PS, RBW, when you get it figured out, let me know via pm about what you want to do.
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Post by billg on Jun 25, 2008 1:44:08 GMT -5
......................Look at the pic Bill posted. The new clutch is identical to the one on the right, p/n 68362. The one on the left, appears to have a smaller shaft bore, and that looks like the one I need.................... In the picture I posted the clutch on the left was pulled from a blue EZ. The clutch on the right was pulled from a 101. They EZ was .375 and the 101 was .4375. I was gone all day Tuesday trying to chase down equipment so maybe Wednesday I will get back to looking at saws. Bill
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Post by rowdy235 on Jun 25, 2008 11:40:21 GMT -5
so that confirms that I have the incorrect clutch, right?
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Post by RBW on Jun 25, 2008 23:05:06 GMT -5
Yep, it has the correct number stamped on it, but its the wrong part. Ill send you out the correct one tomorrow, you keep the first one, youll need it someday.
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Post by RBW on Jun 25, 2008 23:07:59 GMT -5
Rowdy, PM me your addy, I seem to have lost it.
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Post by billg on Jun 27, 2008 0:53:12 GMT -5
I pilfered a bit through IPLs to see what other saw might indeed use a 68362 S-clutch. I found that the 350 used 68362-4! ........................ Dan Dan, I dug out a few more saws tonight. I dug out a 350 and a 360. They both had a 3 shoe clutches. I pulled out the binders and checked the IPL's. When I looked at the 350 IPL's all that was shown were 3 shoe clutches. What revision IPL were you looking at? Obviously I do not have all of them. I did see in the 360 IPL showed the S clutch as an option with the part number of 68362-4. I measured the clutch drums on the 3 shoe clutches and they were 3". The IPL says they will not interchange so the S clutch may very well be the same as the XL101. I did measure the crankshafts on both the 350 and 360. They both appear to be .4375. This is another mind bender on parts. Bill
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Post by lesorubcheek on Jun 27, 2008 6:50:13 GMT -5
Bill, Its a rev.1 , part# 24820. It shows the S clutch and an inset for the 3 shoe shoe clutch.
Dan
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Post by rowdy235 on Jul 2, 2008 14:10:42 GMT -5
Progress- Got the new clutch installed (thanks RBW): The Old clutch (If anybody has a want/need for this clutch, its yours for the cost of shipping) And the Complete Saw: Well I still have to sharpen the chain, and fine-tune the carburetor. It cuts great, but will only idle for 5-10 seconds. I'm not sure if its leaning out or loading up, I'll have to adjust accordingly. But for now it works great. I'll need a new drum, mine is wore a bit and takes a bit more throttle than I like to engage the clutch. But that can wait, it works good for now. I'd like to thank everybody that helped me and say that this site rocks and I will be sticking around. In the future. Comments/suggestions are welcome
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Post by rowdy235 on Jul 2, 2008 16:24:54 GMT -5
carburetor adjustments are driving me crazy! Set the idle to where I thought it should be, and started tweaking the low speed adjustment. Got it to where It starts good and idles. Rev it up and let it back, it sputters for a few seconds and dies. Tweak it and it won't do that, but it'll die after 5-10 seconds of idling? Got me confused, I'll tell ya. Good thing my good friend is a retired 2-stroke mechanic. He's helping me latter tune it properly.
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Post by billg on Jul 3, 2008 0:45:52 GMT -5
Rowdy,
I see you have an older Sears table saw.
No who can ID that old clutch?
Bill
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