dynodave
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Post by dynodave on Jan 31, 2018 21:56:14 GMT -5
I have 3 Simpson meters on the book shelf in my house cuz they are so cool. They are big and heavy, square, black Bakelite, one range each, and very cool. I have a few simpson analog meters myself. Not so much as being cool but for over 50 years as a electronic tech I needed a low impedence meter to supplement the fluke and similar very high input impedance meters. It depends on what you are working on/with.... Highly agree with chainsaw lady on the coil vs module definitions. I dismantled a homelite 330 module to see what is going on inside. It had failed and would die once warmed up. I have tried to glean information about them, even on "AS". I find NO one so far can move my knowledge level higher. Only dissecting and reverse engineering has moved me forward. I am really looking forward to information to show IF or HOW there is any advance circuitry. I know it is possible since I work on and repair some british motorcycle EI.... I have an early 50's SUN distributor machine that comes in handy for dynamic research efforts...
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Post by jerseyhighlander on Feb 1, 2018 1:50:12 GMT -5
I have 3 Simpson meters on the book shelf in my house cuz they are so cool. They are big and heavy, square, black Bakelite, one range each, and very cool. It's funny, growing up there were always several of them laying around, they were just a normal fixture on the bench, in the trunk, in tool box. Just never got the consideration they deserved as something beautiful. Was only just the other day when I first replied about this I had the thought that at least one of them should come up from the basement and be displayed properly. Analog gauges encased in black gloss Bakelite is pretty. 3 different meters, one range each? Only one voltage range per meter, no selector switch?
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Post by sweepleader on Feb 1, 2018 7:31:05 GMT -5
No selector switch. I will post a pic if I can remember that long. They are lab instruments, designed to be installed in an experiment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 9:07:18 GMT -5
I bought this Sperry multimeter from eBay for 7.00 bucks.
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Post by jerseyhighlander on Feb 1, 2018 17:52:19 GMT -5
I bought this Sperry multimeter from eBay for 7.00 bucks. Old stuff from Sperry is certainly good also. For $7.00 you stole it, even if it doesn't work. Does it say Sperry Gyroscopes or Sperry Instruments on the label?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 19:18:05 GMT -5
I bought this Sperry multimeter from eBay for 7.00 bucks. Old stuff from Sperry is certainly good also. For $7.00 you stole it, even if it doesn't work. Does it say Sperry Gyroscopes or Sperry Instruments on the label? It says Sperry Instruments Hauppauge NY, said it was tested and guaranteed to work
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Post by sweepleader on Feb 1, 2018 20:11:25 GMT -5
OK, I lied. They are not Simpson, they are Weston, (its been a while since I looked closely at them, like 20 years.) And I have 5, three AC voltmeters, one ammeter, one milliammeter. Zero to 300 x2, 150 volts AC, 10 amps and 500 milliamps. They all have two ranges, the second is half the maximum. So I guess you could say they have range selectors after all, you select ranges with binding posts and hot wires, pay attention boys and girls or you will get zapped. They are on the book shelf in the bed room, my wife won't let me have them in the living room. KIMG0001 by Dan MacDonald, on Flickr KIMG0004 by Dan MacDonald, on Flickr KIMG0005 by Dan MacDonald, on Flickr KIMG0008 by Dan MacDonald, on Flickr KIMG0007 by Dan MacDonald, on Flickr KIMG0006 by Dan MacDonald, on Flickr
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Post by jerseyhighlander on Feb 1, 2018 21:51:55 GMT -5
Nice. I don't know too much about Weston. I'm familiar with them as a British company but yours say Newark NJ on the label... Certainly looks like like solid professional equipment.
The bedroom is better than the basement I guess. I never get any grief in regards to tools even in where I might display them. Mostly because Mrs. Highlander is much on the same page and supportive but if need be, I give a gentle reminder that we've never once, ever needed to pay a contractor, mechanic or repair person of any kind, for anything. Lol, she probably wouldn't let me cause she knows I'd never stop bitching about it not being done right.
Oologahan. You probably already know this but Sperry was the company that made the bomb sights and gyroscopes for most of the WWII bombers. I found a box of unused parts on a pallet in an old armory building in Paterson NJ years back and bought them just to look at and maybe make something with someday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 20:23:05 GMT -5
An update on the SEZ that I thought had a bad coil,oops,I mean ignition module.When I examined the module,it looked to me like there wasn't an air gap,so I re-gapped it with a business card & I tested it again - beautiful blue spark! I primed the carb & it took off.It just needs a carb adjustment because it won't idle like it should.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 21:00:12 GMT -5
An update on the SEZ that I thought had a bad coil,oops,I mean ignition module.When I examined the module,it looked to me like there wasn't an air gap,so I re-gapped it with a business card & I tested it again - beautiful blue spark! I primed the carb & it took off.It just needs a carb adjustment because it won't idle like it should. Good deal
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 9:45:24 GMT -5
I have a fluke and a snap-on meter both good, one far more expensive than its worth but so is anything that has snap-on written on it. Greenlee would be a reputable meter. Greenlee has been a manufacturer of electric industry tools for years. Funny thing about Greenlee, its owned by a company called Textron...funny...I've heard that name Textron somewhere ;-D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 10:29:47 GMT -5
I have a fluke and a snap-on meter both good, one far more expensive than its worth but so is anything that has snap-on written on it. Greenlee would be a reputable meter. Greenlee has been a manufacturer of electric industry tools for years. Funny thing about Greenlee, its owned by a company called Textron...funny...I've heard that name Textron somewhere ;-D Textron also owns Cessna Aircraft Company, Beech Aircraft Company, and Bell helicopters. They own Ransomes and Jacobsen outdoor turf and power equipment as well as E_Z GO golf carts and Cushman utility vehicles. Also TUG company and Lycoming engines. They are also a major player in the military weapons and guidance systems as well as the finance arena
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Post by breese on Feb 3, 2018 10:43:01 GMT -5
Wish I still had my old Simpson Meters! Worked the first time and every time, unlike the new Digital crap...
Last year I got a new Generator for the house, 10,000 watt. Fired it up and tested before connecting to the house (yea, I did not want to Kill the equipment in the house). Using my new Fluke digital I check the 220V side - Meter showed 280V - WTF Checked the 110V side - Meter showed 190V - WTF!!
Contacted the generator manufacturer, they sent me a new regulator... A week later it shows up and I put it in. Same tests.... Same Results!!
2 days later I decide WTF, lets look at this Again... Fluke still shows real high voltage. Pulled out my Real Old Analog meter - 110V is 112V - 220V is 223V Sure enough, the Battery in the Fluke was bad.. Replaced the battery and got the same readings as what the Analog showed...
Life Lesson... Always trust the Dumb Equipment...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 11:30:36 GMT -5
I agree,often times the older stuff is much better than the digital.My scales I use for weighing myself is digital - it's way off compared to the "older"scales that are still used in the dr's.offices.I do know that the dept.of weights & measures has to come once a yr.to recalibrate if necessary & certify that the scales readings are accurate.Just look what they've done to t.v.It used to be that watching t.v.was free,the only investment you had was your t.v.& maybe an antennae if you lived in the sticks.Now almost everyone has a monthly bill to watch t.v.It's getting to the point where I can't afford it anymore.Tell me what's so much better with digital t.v.vs.analog t.v.?Most of us here on HOH grew up watching the 3 major networks,then came the 4th-Fox.If we didn't care to watch what was on t,v.,we found something else to do,whether it was going out to play ball,fiddle with our car or truck,or go out & cut some fire wood.We made good use of our time.Today the millenials are sitting in front of video games - that's the problem I've got with digital.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 11:56:21 GMT -5
Wish I still had my old Simpson Meters! Worked the first time and every time, unlike the new Digital crap... Last year I got a new Generator for the house, 10,000 watt. Fired it up and tested before connecting to the house (yea, I did not want to Kill the equipment in the house). Using my new Fluke digital I check the 220V side - Meter showed 280V - WTF Checked the 110V side - Meter showed 190V - WTF!! Contacted the generator manufacturer, they sent me a new regulator... A week later it shows up and I put it in. Same tests.... Same Results!! 2 days later I decide WTF, lets look at this Again... Fluke still shows real high voltage. Pulled out my Real Old Analog meter - 110V is 112V - 220V is 223V Sure enough, the Battery in the Fluke was bad.. Replaced the battery and got the same readings as what the Analog showed... Life Lesson... Always trust the Dumb Equipment... Another lesson is that the regulator was cheap enough for the company to send a replacement only on your word of a defect. I bought a 1970's Onan 6,000 watt generator for 100 dollars that runs off a small driveshaft from my mower. I'm betting this thing will last forever.
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Post by jerseyhighlander on Feb 3, 2018 12:16:50 GMT -5
I never saw a Greenlee meter before they started carrying them in Lowes or Garbage Depot or one of those big box travesties. It's consumer grade junk made in China. Greenlee has been a major player in the electrical industry for years, but primarily in tools not instruments. Even so, they move production to China years ago so they are off the chart for me. Klein is still good stuff.
Fluke is pretty much the only name in digital meters among professionals. Kind of like when I worked in woodshops years back, the only routers that existed were Porter Cable, the only Jigsaw was Bosch, Belt Sanders, Porter Cable or Makita and way back Makita was THE name in cordless tools. You didn't even know anybody else made those things.
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Post by jerseyhighlander on Feb 3, 2018 12:18:40 GMT -5
I agree,often times the older stuff is much better than the digital.My scales I use for weighing myself is digital - it's way off compared to the "older"scales that are still used in the dr's.offices.I do know that the dept.of weights & measures has to come once a yr.to recalibrate if necessary & certify that the scales readings are accurate.Just look what they've done to t.v.It used to be that watching t.v.was free,the only investment you had was your t.v.& maybe an antennae if you lived in the sticks.Now almost everyone has a monthly bill to watch t.v.It's getting to the point where I can't afford it anymore.Tell me what's so much better with digital t.v.vs.analog t.v.?Most of us here on HOH grew up watching the 3 major networks,then came the 4th-Fox.If we didn't care to watch what was on t,v.,we found something else to do,whether it was going out to play ball,fiddle with our car or truck,or go out & cut some fire wood.We made good use of our time.Today the millenials are sitting in front of video games - that's the problem I've got with digital. Don't even get me started on the "Mind control, propaganda machine idiot box". Rather be in my basement at the workbench.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 13:07:50 GMT -5
I think the only thing I own Greenlee is a hydraulic knockout set. They are headquartered in Illinois and have assembly plants there and California. There R&D is also in Illinois. There meters among other things actually are high end professional grade. Their name in multi meters has not been around as long as fluke but doesn't mean their equipment is any less. They can be found in a large amount of industrial manufacturing and even industrial rental, which equipment manufactured for the rental industry as far as major players, is extremely durable and designed to be repaired over and over again. Fluke would be the crescent of meters. Almost every adjustable wrench on the market is referred to as a crescent even though its a brand. You just have to be careful with what you by at the big box stores, but just because its available there doesn't necessarily equate to it being junk. Brymen is also know for high end electrical test equipment. Originated in Taiwan, but Brymen manufactures for different labels as well. Fluke is manufactured over seas as well, UK, and Asia along with the U.S.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 13:32:41 GMT -5
The most important thing is to look at the end user. The average homeowner and weekend warrior...an Ideal brand multi-meter would be well...ideal. Greenlee would certainly suit just as well as Fluke or Klein. Klein is more of a name to the electrician tool industry much like snap-on is to the mechanic tool industry. Even today the average industrial electrician in manufacturing facilities is working with low voltage DC control voltage more than anything else. Power can be and usually is 3 phase 480 and even up to 600 for average but usually failure there requires little troubleshooting and is quite obvious the source. Most any meter is good for that the name marketed the best usually wins. Vendors to industrial facilities play a big role in brand also. Most facilities have lost the ability to go buy from a local supplier down the street and are forced by corporate to order from a national supplier out of state. I personally have dealt with a great deal of many different types including single phase 480V with cooling lines running through the contactors. Nothing more nerve racking that troubleshooting that with water lines running through the breakers and "ideal" meter in hand. Most any meter picked up local would suit testing at home just fine, comes down to personal preference and that is impacted a lot by economy and means.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 18:38:02 GMT -5
I know many guys that work in offices and cubicles, prairie dog farms, and they outfit their entire shop with tools from Harbor Freight, Home Depot, and mostly chinese junk. It really doesn't matter because most of them never touch those tools except to dust them when they are putting up new curtains. One guy I know originally from Newark New Jersey has three welders, large antique torch and Lincoln tombstone arc welder inherited from his father-in-law and he takes all his welding needs to me or a welding shop. He purchases junk stuff just to make himself and others believe he is knowledgeable about mechanical things. I had to change his serpentine belt and help him adjust his parking brake, the guy is helpless.The point is that companies make a living off these types of people, who buy to impress and convince people as to who they are not. Bad times are coming for all companies, not enough young people will even pretend to know or have the money to buy the cheap tools.
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