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Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 19, 2008 19:55:24 GMT -5
Just when I think I've about figured out the XL-1xx series, I get another curve ball. Here's some pics of an XL-102 with an Automatic Oiler.   Now this may not seem like anything unusual to a casual observer, but the deal is that 102s are supposed to be manual oiler only. There is mention of the 102 AO in one of my repair manuals, but I haven't seen an IPL for it. Its basically the same as a 103 without a compression release. Have to wonder why Homelite decided to make so many variations on this series. Anyway, its another example that's new to me in this already confusing series of saws. Dan |
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Post by RBW on Nov 19, 2008 23:14:55 GMT -5
I think what you have found is what amounts to what the auto industry calls a 1/2 model year improvement. You have heard the disclaimer "Manufacturer reserves the right to improve product at its descretion"?
This may just be it. Maybe they changed the model designations when they figured thet had enough inprovements?
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Post by sugarcreeksaws on Nov 20, 2008 0:18:41 GMT -5
Hi Dan,
Yes, Homelite made both an XL-102 with a compression release and then an auto oiler model without the compression release. They must have liked both of these models and decided to combine them....thus the XL-103. My personal favorite is the XL-103,.....light and powerful!
Joe
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Post by mikevan on Nov 20, 2008 4:54:37 GMT -5
I like any & all of them!
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Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 20, 2008 8:12:17 GMT -5
So here's my current understanding of the XL-1xx series saws:
1x1 - 3.3 cu in engine, points/condenser/coil. Actually I think there is only the 101, not a 111 or 121.
1xy - where y is greater than 1, 3.5 cu in engine.
1x2 - manual oiler, except if AO model, points/condenser/coil
1x3 - auto and manual oiler with decomp, points/condenser/coil, except I think there was also a 103E with electronic ignition!
1x4 - electronic ignition on top of 1x3 features.
11x - dykes rings
12x - return to conventional rings. other minor improvements.
And this doesn't cover the Canadian variants like the XL-76, VI-200, etc.
Dan
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Post by sugarcreeksaws on Nov 22, 2008 20:17:54 GMT -5
Hi Dan,
Hey, by the way, I do have an IPL for the XL-102AO. Let me know if you want a scanned copy. Talk to you soon!
Joe
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Post by MCS on Nov 22, 2008 22:30:31 GMT -5
If Homelite can't keep it straight how can we?  Page 64, sure enough there is a XL-102AO  Must have been a mistake, page 69 says the 102 doesn't have AO   But wait, page 71 is the tie breaker   |
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Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 23, 2008 22:50:33 GMT -5
Hi Dan, Hey, by the way, I do have an IPL for the XL-102AO. Let me know if you want a scanned copy. Talk to you soon! Joe Hi Joe, You bet, I'd love a scanned copy!!! You can email to jevadannicholas@bellsouth.net. Thanks! Dan |
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Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 23, 2008 22:59:55 GMT -5
If Homelite can't keep it straight how can we? Page 64, sure enough there is a XL-102AO Must have been a mistake, page 69 says the 102 doesn't have AO But wait, page 71 is the tie breaker They sure made this series tough A7. I bet Eric is right in that this thing was a stopgap and not a lengthy run, just like the 103E. I think what would really help clear up the picture would be a chronological listing of when each of these things were available. Pretty safe to assume the 101 was first, but would there be a 103 and 102 at the same time? I doubt it since the 102 AO existed, and I can't imagine it being sold along with the 103 with the only real difference being the decomp on the 103, but ya never know. My gues (which very likely is wrong) is there was a 101 and maybe soon after the 102. The 102AO came along and soon after, the 103 was introduced. Not sure if the plain 102 would have been still sold or not. Then the 103E cams out soon followed by the 104. Again, pure speculation on my part. Then somebody like the idea of using Dykes rings, so they made the 113 and 114. Then sombody decided this was all too crazy and they just made a 123 as a final model for the series. Oh yea and thow the VI in there as well before it all died away. It'd be great if someone was actually into these things when all this was going on and could shed light on the true history. Dan |
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Post by MCS on Nov 23, 2008 23:20:56 GMT -5
I was into these saws when they were current but that was 37 years ago. The saws were no different that the cars. Some cars had posi traction some didn't just like some saws had compression release and others didn't. The 101 was first, the 102 came out with compression release and a bigger engine - something to keep ahead of the competition . Next was AO, they added it to the later 102s and made it standard on the 103. The next gimmick was solid state ignition. The next buzz was VI. I often wonder why the XL1xx series died - maybe the small gas tank  - I thought it was a good design. |
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Post by MCS on Nov 30, 2008 9:55:27 GMT -5
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