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Nov 19, 2008 14:07:44 GMT -5
Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 19, 2008 14:07:44 GMT -5
Been playing around recently with a few of my C-91s. I had never really been too fond of C-series saws before. I disliked the lack of auto oilers. Compared to the pro saws (350- 750), I just never really felt a need to get into the older C-series saws.
But, the more I play around with these things, the more I like them. There's something about the simplicity and ruggedness that's really starting to get to me. Maybe its the red and green paint on these 91s that's making it feel like an early Christmas? Any case, just felt like sharing the feeling. Wonder what will be next? I hope I don't develop a fixation on 1050s and 2100s.
Dan
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Nov 19, 2008 17:48:09 GMT -5
Post by Urbanchainsawer on Nov 19, 2008 17:48:09 GMT -5
I agree with you on the simplicity part. It just seems like you had to be a real man to use these monsters back in the day. No oiler, no hand guard, no safety whatsoever. As far as the Christmas comment, thats the first thing everybody says when they see my restored C9- "That looks like a Christmas saw!"
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Nov 20, 2008 8:22:26 GMT -5
Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 20, 2008 8:22:26 GMT -5
Funny thing is when I compare these C series to my Dad's David Bradley 360, these things look like a light saber from Star Wars they're so advanced! Oh, and these did have some neat safety feature.... on/off switch so you could turn the saw off before it ran out of gas (choke for a backup device), sprocket cover to help keep fingers out of the chain, heck, they even had a pad on the handle bar for comfort! ;D
Dan
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Nov 21, 2008 1:46:00 GMT -5
Post by billg on Nov 21, 2008 1:46:00 GMT -5
............... I just never really felt a need to get into the older C-series saws. ............................... I hope I don't develop a fixation on 1050s and 2100s. Dan Crap another competitor Dan, Stay away from the C series and 2100. They are too da'' old and slow. Those reed valves are junk and dont even get me started on clutches. ;D Bill
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Nov 21, 2008 7:40:55 GMT -5
Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 21, 2008 7:40:55 GMT -5
Based on the number of projects sitting around the house and not even counting the ones at the farm, its gonna be a looooooong time before any serious interest can develop. .... Wait a minute, I should be happy to be tripping over saw parts in the garage, even if they are a different shade of red ;D. Dan
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Nov 21, 2008 7:58:28 GMT -5
Post by RandyMac on Nov 21, 2008 7:58:28 GMT -5
and the starters Bill, the starters
Dan, which way is up?
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Nov 21, 2008 10:58:57 GMT -5
Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 21, 2008 10:58:57 GMT -5
and the starters Bill, the starters Dan, which way is up? ;D ;D ;D I wonder how many people are gonna catch that one! Dan
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Nov 21, 2008 11:43:14 GMT -5
Post by daustin97222 on Nov 21, 2008 11:43:14 GMT -5
Speaking of C fever! I am looking for the specifications for a C5. There's one for sale out here (and it seems to be getting ignored for some reason).
thanks,
-Doug
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Nov 21, 2008 13:13:12 GMT -5
Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 21, 2008 13:13:12 GMT -5
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Nov 21, 2008 14:17:47 GMT -5
Post by daustin97222 on Nov 21, 2008 14:17:47 GMT -5
Dan: THANK YOU - this is the best forum on the web.
I think that I'll zip over there and pick that little C5 up. It's in fair shape, and the owner claims that it runs fine.
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Nov 22, 2008 20:18:02 GMT -5
Post by daustin97222 on Nov 22, 2008 20:18:02 GMT -5
I GOT IT!!! I GOT IT!!!
The lil' monster is in my garage, having been run by yours-truly and after cleaning the filter area it runs absolutely perfectly. And what jewel!! I polished it up with a rag and some gas, and it is a beauty. Shines on top, with a few very minor scuffs on each side, and of course on the bar end.
It has only an 18" bar and the chain is shot (but VERY sharp), so I'm looking to the board for advice on this. The saw is listed (thanks Dan!) at 77cc. What is a reasonable maximum bar length for it?
The only thing that I could find that is "wrong" is that the metal air cover gasket is loose from the body - should this be replaced or glued? thanks,
-Doug
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Nov 22, 2008 21:25:05 GMT -5
Post by daustin97222 on Nov 22, 2008 21:25:05 GMT -5
Now my first C5 problem: where can I get a bar? On the Oregon selector, it looks as if they are not available ...
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Nov 23, 2008 18:28:43 GMT -5
Post by daustin97222 on Nov 23, 2008 18:28:43 GMT -5
Thanks Old Zip - you guys are fantastic!
I paid $45 for the jewel. I didn't try to work him down, though a bit more investigation on the saw might have been smart. The sprocket is shot. The chain is shot too (I think that I mentioned that) so now I need to hunt for a sprocket, a bar, and a chain. Wonderul.
From Oregon's info, the specs gathered here, and my own examination I think that I need a .404 pitch, .063 gauge, and whatever length I can find. My XL-12 bars fit perfectly but I would need to carefully drill an oil hole to work with the C-5. But those are the wrong pitch (3/8") and the wrong gauge (.050).
So now I am in a real stew, and $45 poorer. I need to decide if I should tackle the challenge of converting to a different pitch/gauge with more common sprockets, or fish around for parts to fit the old girl.
It is becoming (painfully) obvious why it was being ignored while still for sale. You can't do much with a chain saw if you can't get cutting parts. <sigh>
I might have made a mistake thinking that I could tool it up and use it for actual work.
Searching on ... as soon as I can borrow the wife's camera I will upload pictures. It really is a pretty saw (well: as pretty as an old chainsaw can be!).
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Nov 23, 2008 19:25:37 GMT -5
Post by daustin97222 on Nov 23, 2008 19:25:37 GMT -5
I need part #57344 according to the IPL. If you read it carefully, they actually offered four options:
A-57344 (.404, open) A-56377 (7/16", open) A-56019 (1/2", open - this is a six-tooth sprocket) A-57363-A (7/16", "rim" type)
Alternates are available on ebay, but not the one I need (sadly).
I wonder if it is possible to weld and grind the "grooves" (thinking rather desperately here)
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Nov 23, 2008 20:55:12 GMT -5
Post by daustin97222 on Nov 23, 2008 20:55:12 GMT -5
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Nov 23, 2008 22:44:48 GMT -5
Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 23, 2008 22:44:48 GMT -5
Hi Doug, Another option for ya is to check out ebay seller lil red barn. Just do a search for "Homelite C-5 sprocket". They sell a rim sprocket that fits the C series saws. With a rim, you can put a 404, or 3/8 on it. THen you could mod the oiler hole on a 3/8" 050 bar and be up and cutting. Or as suggested alreay just hang tight and wait for a 404 original bar. They are out there, just may have to wait a bit for the right one to come along.
Dan
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Nov 24, 2008 0:21:58 GMT -5
Post by daustin97222 on Nov 24, 2008 0:21:58 GMT -5
Dan - thank you! I had noticed that (by accident) earlier tonight, but he wants an arm and a leg for the sprocket assembly (darn him!). It comes with the needle bearing. I might switch over to .375/.050 as it seems to be so much more common and I fully expect to run this saw for many, many years. I need to check on the lengths available ...
I think that I mentioned that I'm about 1/2 mile from Oregon's world headquarters. I sent them mail on Saturday (haven't heard back) but I intend to contact them and maybe see if I can talk to an old-timer about this. I am confident that they sell something that will work, but the selector just ignores the saws. I could be wrong.
Whatever I learn (if anything) I will most certainly pass along to the board for future reference.
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Nov 24, 2008 9:55:44 GMT -5
Post by lesorubcheek on Nov 24, 2008 9:55:44 GMT -5
I agree Doug that $25 and then shipping on top of that is on the high side for a sprocket, but at least it is an option that's out there. Maybe you'll find luck with Oregon. You'd just think there'd be more sources for these things.... probably are just all the fun is in finding them.
Dan
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Nov 24, 2008 22:49:02 GMT -5
Post by MCS on Nov 24, 2008 22:49:02 GMT -5
It is no longer listed but I'm quite sure the Oregon Hub for use with the Rim is 10616.
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Nov 24, 2008 23:52:31 GMT -5
Post by daustin97222 on Nov 24, 2008 23:52:31 GMT -5
10616 ... hmmmmm.
This is GOLD. Thank you.
There's a listing on ebay ... if there was only a way to know for sure. I will continue searching.
While I do that: Lil Red Barn quoted me 100 clams for a 30" bar/chain and rim style sprocket. Any comments? I don't think that the chain is Oregon, so I don't know what sort of quality I am getting.
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