Homelite 2000 / 2100 crankshaft interchangeability

[cm76]

Hello all,

I have a couple of members already looking into this for me, however I thought I would share it with all on the forum in the hope of finding an answer.

I have a Homelite 2000 that has had a crankshaft failure on the flywheel keyway area in its previous service life. The crank has been repaired, but I would like to get hold of a replacement crank for the rebuild project.

I wish to find a 2000 series crank, but if this proves to be impossible I was wondering if the 2100 series crankshaft is compatible to use in the 2000 model ? I realise that the clutch arrangement (splined instead of thread ) would need to be changed, but do the bearing sizes etc match up to be the same ?

Any help with the above, or whereabouts of a replacement crankshaft for the 2000 is appreciated.

Regards,

Chris.

[MCS]

I don't have an IPL for the 2000 but the IPL I have for the Super 2100 shows two different crank part numbers:

• Below serial 30871001 = A-69197
  
• 30871001 and above = A-67588
  

I don't see any other parts that relate to this serial break.
The magneto side bearing is the same as all the "C" series saws but the 2100 uses a ball bearing on the clutch side where the others use a needle bearing. Do you have an IPL for the 2000? If so, does it have a ball or needle on the clutch side?

[lesorubcheek]

Great thread. Hope someone who knows will jump in soon. Remember there's at least 3-1/2 flavors of 2100 saws.
1. 2100
2. 2100S
3a. Super 2100 (with 3/4" clutch)
3b. Super 2100 (with 7/8" clutch)

I say "at least" 'cause one never knows what other slight oddball may be out there. May wanna throw the 3100 crank in the mix here as well.

Now, of these, the "plain" 2100 also used a threaded clutch. But, even this has a different part number than the 2000. The IPL I have of a 3100 shows a pic with a threaded crank for it also, and again with a unique number.

One big change between the 2000 series and 2100 series was the flywheel and ignition system. Real question I'd love to see answered here is whether the distances the crank protrudes for the flywheel and the location of the key are the same between the 2 series. If these turn out to be identical, that'd be 1/2 the problem. Finding a clutch to fit if its a different attachment method would be the other 1/2.

Dan

[cm76]

Thanks MCS and Dan. When I get the chance, I will complete a measurement survey of the 2000 crankshaft that I have and will draw it up. I will post the sketch on here - in the hope that someone with a 2100 or 3100 series (whichever model it may be!) crank may be able to compare it for me.

It will be good to know - the suspense is getting to me!

Thanks again for your input, and hope to get that sketch posted here soon.

Regards,

Chris.

[cm76]

Here is the sketch I made up of the crankshaft that came out of my Homelite 2000. It is pretty rough, certainly not to scale, but should give enough info to determine if it is of major difference to the 2100 series cranks.

If someone out there has a 2100 series crankshaft handy - I would greatly appreciate any dimensional comparison between the two models.

Thanks again,

Chris.

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[lesorubcheek]

That looks great Chris. One more item that may be different is the angular location of the woodruff key. Since the 2000 and 2100 used a different flywheel, the key may be at a different spot. Taper where the flywheel attaches is another item to consider also.

Dan

[wildman1024]

Now here's a real question!!!!

Do you think you could put a 2100 crank in a XP series and use the 2100 clutch side case to make an XP auto oiler???

[cm76]

Feb 18, 2010 8:54:18 GMT -5 lesorubcheek said:

That looks great Chris. One more item that may be different is the angular location of the woodruff key. Since the 2000 and 2100 used a different flywheel, the key may be at a different spot. Taper where the flywheel attaches is another item to consider also.

Dan

Thanks Dan - the keyway position and taper size is an interesting one. Hopefully someone may know - or be able to reference its position to the crankpin centerline. It will be good to get some feedback on this one.

As for Wildman's question regarding the 2100 / XP series crankshaft interchangeability - hopefully someone has the answer to this as well!

Regards,

Chris

[sugarcreeksaws]

Good evening, gentlemen,

The part number for the crankshaft in the 2000E, the 2000P and the Super 2000 is A-65446. Hope that helps!

Joe

[wildman1024]

Feb 19, 2010 22:07:22 GMT -5 sugarcreeksaws said:

Good evening, gentlemen,

The part number for the crankshaft in the 2000E, the 2000P and the Super 2000 is A-65446. Hope that helps!

Joe

Whats the part #'s for the case half's on an XP series saw. Does the recoil side match the 2000/2100? If so my thinking is you can just get a 2100 crank and a 2100 clutch side case half and build auto oiling XP's.

Or I would even be interested in a already auto oiling XP clutch side case and parts to convert mine to auto oil. Love the saw but sick of pressing the button cause I forget

[ktk]

I know this is getting off the original subject, but I think if you used a crank and clutch side from a 1050 you can make something like a 1020 an auto oiler. I say this because the parts list book I have for xp1020's shows they built auto oilers and the clutch side case is the same number that is listed for a 1050

[MCS]

Feb 20, 2010 8:10:48 GMT -5 ktk said:

I know this is getting off the original subject, but I think if you used a crank and clutch side from a 1050 you can make something like a 1020 an auto oiler. I say this because the parts list book I have for xp1020's shows they built auto oilers and the clutch side case is the same number that is listed for a 1050

All the 1000 series models have a 1 5/8" stroke and all the 2000 series have an 1 3/4" stroke so this won't work.
Craig

[wildman1024]

There's the answer I've been looking for...Thank you!

Now what parts would be needed from the 1050 to make my XP auto Oil?

[ktk]

in theory it should work, I say this because I never tried it but the part numbers are
A-64068 crankshaft
A-64264 drivecase (clutch side case)
I think you need clutch cover a-64074-4
A-64073-A oil pump
63893 worm gear for pump
59926 felt seal
A-64010 oil pickup line
It would probably be to your advantage to pick up a non-running 1050 parts saw for all the parts. like I said i've never done it but it should work, depending on if you want to go through all the parts roundup and work