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Post by homeliteman on Oct 12, 2009 20:17:20 GMT -5
The spring of 1973 was the last of the real blue color saws. The big reason the switch was made to red...... Read 5Runners post.... 2 saws different colors. Homelite was having problems with paint matching from the factory so the switch to all red. I grew up with a saw in my hands. My father was a salesman for Homelite, started in 1952 retired in 1985ish.
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Post by 5runners on Oct 12, 2009 20:17:48 GMT -5
Here's a pic of my two refins.
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Post by Urbanchainsawer on Oct 12, 2009 22:26:36 GMT -5
Great thread and beautiful saws! This blue thing has been talked about before. It seems to pop up about every 6 months. OK, how many of you guys have seen variations in the red that Homelite has used? For some reason, just about all of the XL103s that I have seen have a pinkish hue to them. I am sure that sun fade could have a factor in some cases, but I have seen different shades of red in hidden areas.
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Post by MCS on Oct 12, 2009 22:35:48 GMT -5
The spring of 1973 was the last of the real blue color saws. The big reason the switch was made to red...... Read 5Runners post.... 2 saws different colors. Homelite was having problems with paint matching from the factory so the switch to all red. I grew up with a saw in my hands. My father was a salesman for Homelite, started in 1952 retired in 1985ish. I'll buy in on this. I left the family hardware store in Aug. of '73. The 150 was blue at the time but the XL2 was red. I don't recall having a red SXL but then that was 36 years ago and what was in the store could have been from earlier stock. Some saws, such as the EZ Auto , XL123, and the XL-9xx, were always red. The blue paint on the 150 seemed a little darker than the blue XL-12s and SXLs.
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Post by lesorubcheek on Oct 13, 2009 7:11:15 GMT -5
The spring of 1973 was the last of the real blue color saws. The big reason the switch was made to red...... Read 5Runners post.... 2 saws different colors. Homelite was having problems with paint matching from the factory so the switch to all red. I grew up with a saw in my hands. My father was a salesman for Homelite, started in 1952 retired in 1985ish. Great info. So even the factory was having difficulties matching colors... I don't feel so bad anymore with my difficulties matching the paint. OK, how many of you guys have seen variations in the red that Homelite has used? For some reason, just about all of the XL103s that I have seen have a pinkish hue to them. I am sure that sun fade could have a factor in some cases, but I have seen different shades of red in hidden areas. Know what ya mean. There is a certain pinkish look that I only really noticied on a few of the XL-1xx saws. Also, there's a definitie difference in the red when you compare the early saws (pre-70) to later ones. Early red was darker whereas the later red was closer to orange. All this just adds to the fun of trying to match colors. Dan
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Post by rharley95ci on Oct 13, 2009 11:20:29 GMT -5
5runners, Good looking saws, If you get ahold of Joe at Sugar Creek Supply he could fix you up with decals to put the finishing touch on them.
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Post by 5runners on Oct 13, 2009 11:47:42 GMT -5
rharley, I agree, I'll either have to call him or wait for a response. MCS and I have been talking about date codes (7-digit) Which leads me to yet to another blue question. Which is the older style logo??? pics below.
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Post by MCS on Oct 13, 2009 16:47:50 GMT -5
I'd say the top one is the older logo because it says Super XL and no "Automatic" In real life - eliminating camera color shift - does the top one have a little bit of green hue to it And now that I put in my 2 cents, what are the serial numbers???
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Post by 5runners on Oct 13, 2009 17:44:08 GMT -5
MCS, Those two pics are not my saws. They are pics I saved when I started shopping for a blue saw.
I'm going to tend to agree on the Arrow logo being older. Just by assuming- Look at the Limited Edition Logo. If I was making a re-issue, I think I would revert back to the original
I guess we need some "Arrow logo" owners to post some ser. no.'s
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Post by OBR on Oct 13, 2009 20:36:51 GMT -5
Hate to shake the tree but look closer at the arrow style, it does say automatic. It's in red and hard to see, but its there.
I'm gonna toss a wrench and say the bottom is older. Why? Because I've seen many of these with that style of logo with the old style knob on the a-f cover and gas cap (its more rounded, similar to the c-series caps) which would tend to suggest they are older. Just my thoughts, no real proof to back it up...
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Post by lesorubcheek on Oct 13, 2009 20:39:12 GMT -5
Looks like this thread is bouncing around a bit, but wanted to show a pic that shows at least one diff between the "reds". Dan
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Post by sugarcreeksaws on Oct 13, 2009 22:04:00 GMT -5
Thought I would add my two cents worth on the age issue of these saws.....as near as I can tell, Homelite started the series with the blue and white XL-12. They started with the black and white diamonds on the side and then went to red and white diamonds.
About June 1964, they released the Super XL-12....this has the arrowhead on the side. This saw still only had manual oiling, however, it had the bigger 59436 rings.
Homelite next released the Super XL-12 Automatic,...I have never seen one of these, yet, however, I have an IPL for one. It basically has all the details of a later day Super XL. It is supposed to have a logo similiar to the XL-500 on it,...still looking for this one!
Next in the series was the XL-AO and the Super XL. This Super XL had the arrowhead on the sides. The Super XL was blue and white and the XL-AO was red, white and green. My IPL shows both of these on the same IPL. Interestingly enough, and a very important point that definitely dates this saw earlier than the other Super XLs, the IPL shows that the Super XL with the arrowhead on the side did not have an automatic oiler. I checked mine and confirmed it,...very interesting.
Homelite then released the blue and white Super XL with the rectangular logos on it....they produced a ton of these.
From there, they switched to red and then red/black and then tried a short switch back to blue, etc. etc.
Homelite tried to up the power with the XL-400 and the XL-500. The XL-400 lasted a couple of years and the XL-500 lasted only about a year. I recently found out why,.....the basic design could not handle the extra power. They literally beat themselves up from the inside out (confirmed by an old Homelite dealer who had worked on several of them). 58cc seems to be about the limit for this design. I still think it is one of finest models built....
Talk to you soon! Joe
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Post by MCS on Oct 13, 2009 22:04:22 GMT -5
Here is a 1964 Super XL-12 IPL - See the arrow Homelite changed the SXL logo several time. This IPL lists two shade of blue paint, Lacquer "70" Blue P#24453 and Blue P#24101 no red listed. I think this IPL has my fingerprints on it from the early '70s when I was at the store. ;D IPL P#24228 Rev. 1 It is hard to see but there are two diamonds. Here's another and it only lists red lacquer. IPL P#24228 Rev. 4This is from the 1985 Product Catalog. There is probably at least four more logo variation for the SXL
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Post by sugarcreeksaws on Oct 15, 2009 8:42:39 GMT -5
Hey MCS, Thanks for posting those pics,...I have those same IPLs. I have also noticed that Super XL IPL with the saw on the front with diamonds. I have wondered about that,....as far as I can tell, Homelite did not logo a Super XL with diamonds,....it is my opinion that they made a mistake and put a picture of an XL-12 on the front of a Super XL IPL,....what do you think? They were making so many saws so quickly that I think they just pulled a pic they had already made and stuck it on the front of the IPL. My 0.02 worth. Joe
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Post by lesorubcheek on Oct 15, 2009 8:52:29 GMT -5
That wouldn't surprize me Joe. There's at least one other IPL I know of that has a mistake in it. Nobody's perfect.
Dan
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Post by MCS on Oct 15, 2009 9:22:02 GMT -5
You don't think Homelite would try and spoof us There is a flaw that may support the XL-12 being the model for the cover. In that IPL, P# 24228 Rev. 1, the manual oiler is a dealer option and on page 4 the oil plunger hole has a plug. Also, I can't see any part of the oil fill cap that would be on top but the handle bar is kind of in the way. During the 1971 to 1973 time frame, all the SXLAOs I sold at the store went out the door without a manual pump. I think they pulled a fast one on us
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Post by sugarcreeksaws on Oct 15, 2009 11:33:05 GMT -5
Wouldn't surprise me,...
Hey Dan,...a little note for you about the C-91 model....two nights ago, I was studying some of my IPLs and I noticed that one of my IPLs actually lists a C-91, a C-91A and a C-91AG....three separate models. I don't know that this would be important to too many people, however, since I am working to collect a sample of every model they made in the 50s, 60s and 70s, it was intriguing to me. I looked deeper and it seems the difference is that the C-91A was outfitted with a different carb elbow and a reed pyramid instead of the standard single reed. Well, I looked and I have one! Always neat to find a saw you might have been looking for right under your nose! I did notice that the tag still only states it as a C-91, so it was a part change, not a tag change,...evidently.....just more info.
Sorry to hijack this thread,.......
Talk to you soon!
Joe
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Post by lesorubcheek on Oct 15, 2009 11:58:22 GMT -5
Wouldn't surprise me,... Sorry to hijack this thread,....... Talk to you soon! Joe Hay, its all still about Homelites right ;D. I remember reading somewhere that earlier C-91s used the pyramid reed assembly but later ones used a single reed plate. Of my 3, one of 'em had a single reed plate, but I converted it to the pyramid setup awhile back. So, your information certainly does make sense. Dan
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Post by 925fetish on Oct 18, 2009 10:57:52 GMT -5
My C72 is darn near pink all over in and out I have also seen saws that were more green than blue got me wanting to put one together
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Post by lesorubcheek on Oct 23, 2009 21:09:40 GMT -5
Just a follow-up on the topic concerning IPLs that have a pic that isn't quite right. Here's a couple to add to the list. Dan
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