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Post by tangobravo on Apr 25, 2022 20:16:01 GMT -5
OK- I have seen it enough times now to perk my interest in it-
Just what is up with pulling the starter cord a short distance before shutting the saw off? Protecting something from damage???
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Post by w30bob on Apr 25, 2022 20:43:07 GMT -5
Nope.......just makes it look like you know what you're doing and know something other people don't. Then they'll ask about it and you'll feel special. See........it works!
;O)
bob
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Post by edju1958 on Apr 25, 2022 21:04:40 GMT -5
Supposedly you should do it on the Mac saws to protect the pawls when shutting the saw off.Personally I think it's a bunch of hooey.I've never seen broken pawls on a Mac saw,Homelites yes,but that's from drop starting them.
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Post by tangobravo on Apr 26, 2022 20:52:48 GMT -5
Well- Tried shutting down my Super Mini a few times doing this, and the cord likes to be pulled back out of your hand with a slight kick-back. Seems the starter pawls become engaged and, potentially it could hard hammer them into the starter pulley. Possibly tightly jam up the rope in the pulley groove.
Probably not going to damage things, but it does have a tendency to back-wind things up a bit!
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Post by blythkd on Apr 26, 2022 21:08:14 GMT -5
I've probably shut a saw ignition switch off several thousand times, never pulled a starter cord out before hand, never had anything get damaged. Yeah, they take a kick when the engine stops but nothing like the pressure exerted on things when you give the rope a good rip.
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Post by MI Old Saw on Apr 27, 2022 12:37:52 GMT -5
Glad this was asked…I was stumped as well.
Probably one of those “that is how Grandpa did it” type of things. It may have made sense on earlier equipment for a legitimate reason, but might not for some more modern designs?
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Post by lesorubcheek on Apr 27, 2022 16:20:41 GMT -5
Heard the same thing as Ed stated above. Several years ago (well, maybe more like 15 now) over on AS, there were discussions about it, and I vaguely remember at one point I was convinced it was the smart thing to do. It didn't take long though to forget to do it, and honestly I can't remember the last time I did, and have yet to have a pawl snatch and break any part of the starter on any of our saws. Only own one Mac though, so maybe that's why.
Dan
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Post by blythkd on Apr 27, 2022 21:48:54 GMT -5
The little XL's and Super 2's used to break some pawls but I'm pretty sure that was more from starting them than from killing them. I think Homelite came out with an improved pawl in the repair kits that helped that situation. Other than that, I've never seen much for starter pawl issues, at least not on Homelites.
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Post by rarefish383 on May 12, 2022 19:10:22 GMT -5
Glad this was asked…I was stumped as well. Probably one of those “that is how Grandpa did it” type of things. It may have made sense on earlier equipment for a legitimate reason, but might not for some more modern designs? NO, absolutely not how Grand Pa did it. I'm 4th generation in the tree business. In 50 years I have never seen anyone do that. If I did I'd call them a frickin idget. My Dad and Uncle were both in the business, my Grand Father was, his father, my Dad's father in law, Dad's BIL, my Uncles SIL. When I say all these guys were in the business, I don't mean they worked for the same business. They all had thriving tree businesses. It reminds me of the old joke about Don Garlits. He was walking through the pits after a rain storm and dropped a set of head gaskets in a mud puddle. Next thing you know another racer was swishing his head gaskets in a mud puddle. Some one asked what the hell are you doing? The guy looked up and said, Garlits did it. We would usually have 20 saws on a truck. Some idget jumped me a couple years ago and said it was in his manual you "had" to loosen the bar studs and back the tension off a chain or it would pull the bearings out of it. I finally found it in a Stihl manual. I bet a dollar to a donut it was a lawyer had them put that in the manual because some idiot over tightened a chain, burned a bar up, and set something on fire. No way on the face of this planet after a long day up in trees, with my feet killing me from standing on hooks, I was going to take every saw off the truck to loosen the chain, then do it all over the next morning, to tighten them. |
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Post by rarefish383 on May 12, 2022 19:28:09 GMT -5
Nope.......just makes it look like you know what you're doing and know something other people don't. Then they'll ask about it and you'll feel special. See........it works! ;O) bob Can you repeat that so I can "LIKE" it again? |
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Post by rarefish383 on May 12, 2022 19:37:20 GMT -5
Well- Tried shutting down my Super Mini a few times doing this, and the cord likes to be pulled back out of your hand with a slight kick-back. Seems the starter pawls become engaged and, potentially it could hard hammer them into the starter pulley. Possibly tightly jam up the rope in the pulley groove. Probably not going to damage things, but it does have a tendency to back-wind things up a bit! My buddy pulled an old Stihl 08S out of a dumpster and gave it to me. Said it had good compression. I tried to pull it and couldn't pull an inch of rope out, thought it was locked up tight. It was so pretty I put it on a shelf. After several years I was thinning the herd again and took a look at it. Pulled the recoil off and somehow the rope had flipped over on itself and essentially tied a figure 8 knot around the pully. I got it straitened out, put a shot of mix in it and it fired right up. That 08S is one of my favorite non Homelite saws. 50 CC's, 20" bar, pulling 404 chain. That's when saws were saws and it took men to run them! |
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Post by w30bob on May 12, 2022 19:45:23 GMT -5
"Can you repeat that so I can "LIKE" it again?" Well.....I could......but this might be more fun. Here's a link to the same conversation on one of the other chainsaw forums. It came up when I Googled "Why do people pull the handle out when stopping a chainsaw?". Ya gotta love Google......it knows what you're thinking. Hey wait, maybe that's not so good............Hmmmmmm. Enjoy!
www.arboristsite.com/threads/pull-cord-out-during-shut-down.212598/;O) bob |
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Post by rarefish383 on May 12, 2022 19:51:09 GMT -5
Go figure, another youtube guy.
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Post by tangobravo on May 12, 2022 21:39:22 GMT -5
An old McCulloch service bulletin seems to be the culprit behind this action. Check this video about half-way through and I think it becomes clear where this idea originated: www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwuHl-JnGnI&t=144s |
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Post by edju1958 on May 12, 2022 21:54:58 GMT -5
The same guy who did that video also told me when I was having problems tuning a Mac saw that the carb issues I was having was caused by sound waves.That was the most ridiculous thing I was ever told.He can't even pronounce the name McCulloch properly.What an ass hat.
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Post by rarefish383 on Jun 8, 2022 13:38:48 GMT -5
I'll give the guy in the vid some slack. I remember some of the old guys that worked for Dad calling them McCullaaas. But they were usually 4 or five verses into the them song, "Hey Mable, another Black Label", when they started pronouncing it that way.
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Post by ronaldt on Jun 8, 2022 21:30:56 GMT -5
So, what is the correct pronunciation of McCulloch? My pet peave is people who list one for sale and spell it McCullough.
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Post by tangobravo on Jun 8, 2022 21:55:18 GMT -5
A close friend of my father, that was a member of the McCulloch family pronounced it "Mick-Cull-Luck".
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Post by edju1958 on Jun 9, 2022 7:21:18 GMT -5
Ron,I'm with you on this one.I can't stress enough the correct pronouniation of McCulloch is McCullock,not McCulluh.The ch is pronounced as a k.What really boggles my mind is when people are trying to sell a McCulloch saw & the name of the saw is printed right on it & they still misspell it.I have 2 saw shops near me & both owners can't pronounce the name correctly.I wonder if the original founder of the McCulloch company,Mr.Bob McCulloch went insane with the mis-pronouncing of his name before he died.
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Post by w30bob on Jun 10, 2022 10:35:05 GMT -5
I'm friends with one of Robert McCulloch's co-workers. I asked him this years ago and he said it's pronounced "Mc-Kull-Lick"......but ultimately Robert didn't care as long as they bought the saws. There's usually more than one way to pronounce most things, as it comes from how current day words originated, so I wouldn't let it ruin anyone's day. I've heard people call Husky's "Husk-verna", "Husk-que-varna", "Husk-kwa-verna", etc, etc, and people call Stihl "Still", "Stuh-hill" and "St-aisle"......so it's all good. Now the chuckleheads on eBay that list Homelites as "Homelight" or "Home Lite" tend to make me grit MY teeth. Now everyone say "Jonsered" three times faster.................
;O)
bob
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