Another Paint thread.

[Mr_Huns]

Leon doesn't know yet, but I ordered a NOS handle to have color matched at Van Sickle.  Wish me luck  This handle fits UT-10590-A.  I'm not sure how old that is, but it looks good enough for me.  I will keep you all updated.  I also know that everyone likes the 2k clear for a durable glossy finish.  Is the gloss comparable to the equipment when it was new?  I would think the saws were not high gloss originally.  Can someone recommend a not quite high gloss to mimic the "cost conscious OEM finish?"

Thanks,
Mark


PaintMatch_1 by MR Huns, on Flickr

[charliec]

Please post the Van Sickle paint code/number for the paint once you receive it.  I know others have ordered custom/matching colors (e.g., light blue) from Van Sickle but I have never read about the assigned code/part #.  I even contacted Van Sickle and spoke with one of the guys that does the paint matching and he remembered someone that sent in a Homelite drive unit cover for color match but unfortunately he did not remember the paint code.    I asked why they did not log/document the color match like they do on things like John Deere green and he did not have an answer as to why they didn't. 

Sorry, I am not aware of a good medium gloss alternative to the 2K clear which is high gloss. It is my understanding they they make a "flat" clear coat version if you prefer that to a high gloss. The automotive clear coat sold in places like AutoZone does not last stand up to the harsh conditions/environments chainsaws get exposed to. 

Charlie

[charliec]

Quick update...


I found a 2 part Epoxy clear coat from Eastwood Co. that might want to investigate.  While it is not a medium gloss finish it is not a flat either.  Eastwood co. classifies it as a "Matte" finish which while not technically a higher gloss than "flat" it does reflect a little more light than a true flat and therefore appears to be a little glossier.  It has the same pot life of 48 hours once you pop the catalyst at the bottom of the can ... see link below.  

No matter which of the 2 part clear products you go with, make sure you wear a respirator as the chemicals in this type of product are harmful.  Please note, a respirator is different than a covid cloth/paper face mask (i.e., chemical filtration vs. particle filtration).  3M makes a good respirator for around $25 but that does not include the filters.  Make sure you buy the correct filter to go with the mask. Unfortunately, just like everything else, painting a chainsaw has become expensive ( e.g., prep materials, primer, paint, clearcoat, safety equipment, etc.).  By the time you get done.... I bet the entire painting process costs well over $125 if you do not already own the proper safety equipment (e.g., respirator).

I find it interesting that Eastwood Co. states the following on the can: "The most durable aerosol clear available"

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www.eastwood.com/2k-areo-spray-matte-clear.html


Charlie
P.S., I have never used this product.

[Mr_Huns]

I will definitely share the color mix formula.

Thank you for the link. I just raise the question; Did anyone own a saw new? and was the color high gloss? A lot of times we restore things to better than factory. If I drop the parts at a body shop, they could color match it, spray it, and clear it in flat, egg shell, satin, semi-gloss, or full gloss.

I have a 3m respirator with the pink filters for sanding, the black cartridges for painting, and I store it in a plastic bag. I probably change the cartridges more frequently.

[w30bob]

My Dad bought a new blue Wiz 55 back in the day and I remember it fondly. While it certainly had a shine to it......it wasn't the over-restored mile deep clear coated paint you see on restored stuff today. The paint was an industrial coating, and not buffed or polished before or after assembly. And it dulled pretty quickly once handled, even before the decals fell off. It really wasn't much different from what you'd see on any new garden tractor or piece of landscaping machinery today, although today's coatings are much more durable. The same goes for chrome. It was industrial chrome plating used as a metal protectant, not something triple plated and buffed to a mirror finish. Hardware was also industrial coated or raw, not mirror polished. Saws were tools back then, so their finishes reflected that. Nice enough to get you to look and hopefully buy, but not going to last forever. That would have cost too much money, and it was a very competetive world back then. There's folks on here that have NOS saws, so just ask them to post some pics. I've got one or two around somewhere, and if I can find them I'll do the same.

;O)

[Mr_Huns]

So,

I got an email reply:


Dave Van Eck
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Jul 24, 2023, 1:33 PM (1 day ago)
to me

Got your samples today. See attached picture. The drive case color looks different, both inside and out, vs the handle. We have our match CML5005 that is very close to the sample and our 5048 may be just a shade orange but looks closer in daylight.

I'm happy to send chips to approve before ordering, but the 5005 is very pose.

Regards,
Dave

Dave Van Eck
Director
Van Sickle Paint

IMG_4354 by MR Huns, on Flickr

[Mr_Huns]

I say we go with the 5005!

What do you all think?

[w30bob]

I've learned never to judge colors on a computer monitor. Both look good on my monitor, but the 5005 looks better in the indirectly lit (ie, darker) areas and 5048 looks like a better match in the brightly lit areas. See what I mean.......what I just said is totally useless to you. Check it inside, then outside in sunlight and pick what looks best to your eyes. As long as you remove all the original color and paint everything with whatever you choose no one will ever call you out on it. It's gonna look great!!

;O)

[charliec]

Just remember, depending on the lighting used when the picture was taken and your computer monitor's graphics/dispay card the color may not match what you will see once the saw is finished and in the sunlight. Having said that, I am sure the color Dave Van Eck is suggesting as a good/close color match(i.e., 5005). Bottomline, the parts you sent them are a used drive unit cover that is weather beaten while the NOS handle has been more protected from the elements. Therefore there is a color variance even between them and that assumes they were painted at the same facility, day and conditions (i.e., not likely). You would be amazed how temp, humidity, paint gun nozzle, gun pressure, distance from the object, etc, can effect how the color looks on the object after the fact. Then you add in a clear coat shine (i.e. variable) that will effect the way the color looks to the human eye.

Bottomline, you will never exactly match the way the saw looked when it was first produced/purchased.

I say go for the 5005 and call it a day!

Charlie
P.S., Homelite had multiple "reds" and shades of blue over the years and one of the red's was very orangey so it was not just one red that calls out the saw as a Homelite. Don't even get me started on the multi-colored season/speciality saws (e.g., white, cream, green, with both red and blue... go figure.)

[charliec]

Looks like both w30bob and I were typing our messages (i.e. redundant comments about the lighting and computer monitor display colors) at or close to the same time.

Cars/messages that crossed on the internet highway.

[Mr_Huns]

I agreed; Dave said he looked at them in the sunlight and this isn't for a spot repair. I would definitely overall the unit.

[charliec]

I have no issue with VanSicKle paint quality (good stuff in my opinion). However, when you try to find a specific color other than say white or black ( common/generic color) at a local store you can't find it and most stores do not special order due to their limited demand for every color Van Sickle makes. Therefore, you are pretty much limited to buying direct from vanSickle which in and of itself is not a bad thing. The problem with buying direct is they have a 6 can minimum (currently $85 for this color in their "Farm Equipment" enamel + shipping). Therefore, if you don't have other projects that will require the extra cans of paint the cost of painting your saw just went up by about $55 (i.e. extra cans sitting on a shelf/ potential waste). Perhaps other House of Homelite members would be interested in buying a can or two from you but then there is the shipping cost and all the time/effort of facilitating the potentially multiple transactions over time with no guarantee of selling the excess cans of paint. In other words, unless you are lucky enough to have a local paint store that carries this specific color (VanSickle- Krause Red, # 5005) the cost could be prohibitive.

If you do end up buying the Vansickle product they have a self-etching primer ( primer code 167) that you may want to check out/investigate.

[Mr_Huns]

Jul 28, 2023 10:02:00 GMT -5 charliec said:

I have no issue with VanSicKle paint quality (good stuff in my opinion). However, when you try to find a specific color other than say white or black ( common/generic color) at a local store you can't find it and most stores do not special order due to their limited demand for every color Van Sickle makes. Therefore, you are pretty much limited to buying direct from vanSickle which in and of itself is not a bad thing. The problem with buying direct is they have a 6 can minimum (currently $85 for this color in their "Farm Equipment" enamel + shipping). Therefore, if you don't have other projects that will require the extra cans of paint the cost of painting your saw just went up by about $55 (i.e. extra cans sitting on a shelf/ potential waste). Perhaps other House of Homelite members would be interested in buying a can or two from you but then there is the shipping cost and all the time/effort of facilitating the potentially multiple transactions over time with no guarantee of selling the excess cans of paint. In other words, unless you are lucky enough to have a local paint store that carries this specific color (VanSickle- Krause Red, # 5005) the cost could be prohibitive.

If you do end up buying the Vansickle product they have a self-etching primer ( primer code 167) that you may want to check out/investigate.

YES SIR!!

I ordered the 5005 red paint, self etching primer, and a gallon of bee hive paint.  I will reach out and let you know when it gets here.

[w30bob]

Jul 20, 2023 20:11:24 GMT -5 Mr_Huns said:

I will definitely share the color mix formula.

Thank you for the link. I just raise the question; Did anyone own a saw new? and was the color high gloss? A lot of times we restore things to better than factory. If I drop the parts at a body shop, they could color match it, spray it, and clear it in flat, egg shell, satin, semi-gloss, or full gloss.

I have a 3m respirator with the pink filters for sanding, the black cartridges for painting, and I store it in a plastic bag. I probably change the cartridges more frequently.

Hi Guys,

  Was just looking online at 26LCS's and ran across some pics of an NOS one that might give you a better idea of what these saws looked like when new.  Obviously this one is older than what you're painting, but you can still get an idea of what the paint looked like in terms of gloss, as well as the quality of the chrome plating, etc.  One thing I found interesting was the color.  Most of the restored 26LCS's I've seen have been painted the wrong shade of red.  Most are done in the shade you're talking about for the C-series saws, but as you can see here.........and I also have an NOS 26LCS fuel tank that agrees with these pics........the early saws were painted an orange-red, not the deep red so many think they were.  The black paint was definitely as semi-gloss.......or semi-flat......pick your poison.  All interesting stuff, in my opinion.  Enjoy!