gonup
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Post by gonup on May 23, 2020 13:31:06 GMT -5
Hi all
I picked up 2 rusty seized up relics over the winter and I just go a good look at them. 1 is a Farmcrest D65 and the other is Montgomery wards D55.
I think they are both Clinton saws. After removing and cleaning the bars I see that 1 is an Oregon and it looks like it may fit more than one model. Both bars are about 28 inches overall length and came with 1/2 inch chain. .063 gauge.
It looks to me like the square hole and the small oil holes = a F014 that will fit my Super 1050. Can any one confirm this by the numbers on the bar?
Thanks in advance
Wes
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Post by gonup on May 23, 2020 13:32:57 GMT -5
Whoops I up loaded the wrong photo.
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Post by rarefish383 on Jun 16, 2020 19:00:50 GMT -5
Not sure about the bars. Are you going to try and find some half inch or run .404 X .063.? I found a guy with 2 rolls of Oregon 1/2 inch and he cut me a loop for my 31" Poulan Super 68. But he would not sell me a roll.
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Post by rarefish383 on Jun 16, 2020 19:02:10 GMT -5
Oops, just noticed the chain on the bars, may have some use left in them.
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gonup
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Post by gonup on Jun 18, 2020 17:16:43 GMT -5
I sent the Oregon bar to Leon for inspection and I'm am going to put it on my C-52 and the other bar I don't know yet. The oregon bar is .058 and the C-52 has a 3/8 sprocket on it. Both of the chains have issues. The one that looks the newest has a lot of looseness at the rivets. It also has 4 missing cutters. If I decide to go with 1\2 chain I will get back to you.
Thanks
Wes
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Post by rarefish383 on Jun 20, 2020 7:03:29 GMT -5
Wes, I was just wondering because the 1/2 inch is expensive when you find it. The guy that cut me a loop said he won't sell any more. I was thinking of seeing if he would cut me a loop for the 45" bar I got from Greg several years ago, but I sold all of my "extra" 1050's.
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Post by edju1958 on Jun 20, 2020 8:32:14 GMT -5
I don't believe the bar with the square holes is an F014 mount.The F014 mount has oblong holes as far as I know.
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Post by ken8831200 on Jun 20, 2020 9:25:06 GMT -5
The title of this thread confused me "2 old bars" I thought someone was going to buy a round or two!
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Post by charles on Jun 20, 2020 14:00:13 GMT -5
Gonup , I ordered an Oregon chain and apparently I got on the wrong line when I did . I have a Power Cut 73LGX072 chain I can not use . Still in the unopened box . This is 3/8 pitch , 0.058 gauge , 72 drive links . If you can use it , $20 delivered ! PM me if you want it . Charles
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Post by gonup on Jun 22, 2020 17:07:56 GMT -5
Thanks but it is a little to short for what I need right now.
Wes
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Post by gonup on Jun 25, 2020 14:56:56 GMT -5
Here is the finished product. Here is the Oregon bar on my C-52 with a new 86 DL chain from Frawleys. Ed may be right about it not being
an F014 mount but it does get plenty of oil. Going to see how it compares to my 330 asap.
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Post by gonup on Jul 4, 2020 16:43:57 GMT -5
There wasn't much of a contest here and I have to cry foul as the C-52 has a new chain and the 330 has chain sharpened by me. Fortunately I have another
dead tree in my yard to come down. I will be having a rematch as soon as I put a new chain on the 330.
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Post by onlyhomelites on Jul 6, 2020 8:57:40 GMT -5
Hah! 77cc vs 53cc...You'd have to have a pretty dull chain on the C-52 for it to lose!
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Post by gonup on Jul 6, 2020 20:22:12 GMT -5
Mr. Crouch.
I assumed that since the 330 runs at nearly twice the RPM of the C-52 that would compensate for the difference in CC's and make for a close contest.
I'm going to try and record the next contest and my poor chain sharpening skills won't be a factor.
Wes
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Post by rowdy235 on Jul 6, 2020 21:33:40 GMT -5
One of my favorite sayings, There ain’t no replacement for displacement comes to mind Keep in mind that most published RPM figures are a “no load speed”, so the actual operating RPM may vary. Of course then you get into sprocket teeth, chain pitch, inches/second, etc. The ability of the 330 to turn a higher RPM will give it some advantage, especially in soft wood, but I wouldn’t put it on the same level a a C-series. I do wonder how a 330 would do vs an XL-12 or SXL. I feel a race coming on. Lol
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Post by onlyhomelites on Jul 6, 2020 23:46:50 GMT -5
Mr. Crouch.
I assumed that since the 330 runs at nearly twice the RPM of the C-52 that would compensate for the difference in CC's and make for a close contest.
I'm going to try and record the next contest and my poor chain sharpening skills won't be a factor.
Wes
I wasn't trying to run you down Wes...sorry if it came across that way! It's surprising how many of these older low rpm saws can keep up with or outcut the newer "faster" saws. TJ's Pioneer RA and 620 are great examples of this. A 925 should smoke a a C-series any day of the week and maybe a 410, but I think a Super XL or 330 is out of the question. It'd be a lot of fun proving all of this though!
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Post by gonup on Jul 7, 2020 16:07:48 GMT -5
We're good. It takes a lot more than that to hurt my feelings.
Wes
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Post by edju1958 on Jul 7, 2020 18:42:52 GMT -5
This might be another good contest to do at your GTG with the Pioneer vs.McCulloch vs. Homelite
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Post by ronaldt on Jul 7, 2020 19:54:08 GMT -5
This might be another good contest to do at your GTG with the Pioneer vs.McCulloch vs. Homelite I like it! Displacement vs RPM. Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!! Last summer I had the pleasure of helping a good friend/collector buddy cut with a couple different big old two man saws. It was a lot of fun! However, those saws were not speed demons. Just saying.... Might be an interesting contest
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Post by sweepleader on Jul 8, 2020 11:15:36 GMT -5
Just everyone remember it is horsepower at the chain that wins speed contests. A saw that is geared wrong (with the wrong sprocket or gear set) so that the horsepower at the chain is not optimum will not cut as fast as one that is geared correctly. That means the engine must be running in its optimum power band, making the most horsepower, at the same time that the chain is absorbing just that much. Wood cutting is work and horsepower is a measure of work done vs time. All the torque in the world will not cut timber if the chain does not move, and all the speed in the world will not matter if the chain is ground wrong.
There are a lot of factors to high speed cutting, that's why some guys race and race and race, working out all the details to match everything together.
All that being said, I am a believer in cubic inches, there is no replacement for displacement. Your mileage may vary. :{)
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