bit
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Post by bit on Dec 18, 2019 18:47:50 GMT -5
oologahan: I read this and just cringed. I have a stand up HF blast cabinet as well. Works great. There are a ton of mods out on YouTube on how to upgrade those cabinets, if you want to. I've modified mine a bit and am very happy with it....gloves as well. The HF gloves lasted one day. It's a pretty cheap glove. I replaced mine with a set that I found on Amazon and have had no problems since.
My compressor is an old 5.5hp 30 gallon compressor. Is it ideal??...not really but, it gets the job done. I have to wait for it to catch up....often...and I'm OK with that. It's not that big of a problem where I have to get something else right now.
I would highly recommend investing in a blast cabinet, instead of taking it to someone who...well....you know.
It's worth the investment.
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Post by oologahan on Dec 18, 2019 19:16:04 GMT -5
oologahan: I read this and just cringed. I have a stand up HF blast cabinet as well. Works great. There are a ton of mods out on YouTube on how to upgrade those cabinets, if you want to. I've modified mine a bit and am very happy with it....gloves as well. The HF gloves lasted one day. It's a pretty cheap glove. I replaced mine with a set that I found on Amazon and have had no problems since. My compressor is an old 5.5hp 30 gallon compressor. Is it ideal??...not really but, it gets the job done. I have to wait for it to catch up....often...and I'm OK with that. It's not that big of a problem where I have to get something else right now. I would highly recommend investing in a blast cabinet, instead of taking it to someone who...well....you know. It's worth the investment. I didn't know but my buddy up the street has a real nice blast cabinet and big compressor that I can use anytime. I will never trust anyone else ever again to do work for me. I just hope I don't need a kidney transplant or else they have some good how-to videos on YouTube.
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Post by bit on Dec 18, 2019 19:46:56 GMT -5
...I will never trust anyone else ever again to do work for me. I just hope I don't need a kidney transplant or else they have some good how-to videos on YouTube. My thoughts exactly!
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Post by scotts2000 on Dec 19, 2019 0:14:35 GMT -5
Am i to understand it is ok to use plastic(pvc) pipe for high pressure air? Dan I've seen it done a lot times but..... We went to a class years ago about plumbing an air system and they strongly recommended not to use PVC pipe. Galvanized pipe was what they stressed to use for 2 reasons, safety and cooling of the compressed air. From a mechanical contractor standpoint..copper and aluminum offer best cooling and pressure margins. Lots are done in black screw.. plenty of the airlines run now are in aluminum tubing.. Must admit cool idea with the 4inch !
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Post by scotts2000 on Dec 19, 2019 0:17:16 GMT -5
I took my 1966 XL Auto to a media blasting shop with specific instruction for them to cover the ID plate instead the covered the vinyl starting instruction decal under the air filter cover and blasted the ID plate clean. The saw is worthless to me without the correct ID plate. I'll be looking for another starter cover for a early XL or a complete saw. I swear I will never trust another person to do another thing. I'd rather do without than deal with uneducated slobbering morons Super frustrating experience.. I have a hard time finding people to work on my projects ( house ,car etc)
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Post by blythkd on Dec 19, 2019 6:26:50 GMT -5
I've seen it done a lot times but..... We went to a class years ago about plumbing an air system and they strongly recommended not to use PVC pipe. Galvanized pipe was what they stressed to use for 2 reasons, safety and cooling of the compressed air. From a mechanical contractor standpoint..copper and aluminum offer best cooling and pressure margins. Lots are done in black screw.. plenty of the airlines run now are in aluminum tubing.. Must admit cool idea with the 4inch ! Hey I realize PVC is not the material of choice but the shops I've spent most of my life in had PVC air lines sooo.... And I needed 60ft of line to get from one end of the shop where my compressor is to the other end of the shop where I wanted to add air drops and I just happened to have 60ft of heavy 4" PVC pipe left from building my house. So I figured up the volume of 60ft of pipe and thought I would really like to have that extra ~40 gallons of air storage while I'm running air to the other end of the shop.
I understand all the materials and such but if I had just wanted to run air from one end of the shop to the other, I would have just taken the air hose that I throw down in the floor of the shop and put it up in the building girt. A 1/2" hose would have been so cheap and easy.
I apologize for my earlier comment about there being nothing to stop me from running plastic pipe in my shop. After I posted it I thought it sounded kinda smartass. That wasn't my intent. All I was trying to say is where I live, there are no codes for anything like that. I mean, I built and wired my own home and I can't even spell electrishan.
And I know, I've been so warned. Thank you all for your concern:)
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Post by sweepleader on Dec 19, 2019 8:11:41 GMT -5
Plastic pipe for air lines can be dangerous. Many plastics are not compatible with many oils, and every compressor emits oil, (OK, except pissy little oilless units that no one in their right mind uses for for a shop.) The oil degrades the plastic and you get an explosion as many feet of the pipe fails at once. At work we soak all plastic parts in whatever oil they are likely to encounter, sometimes they fail in minutes. That is the reason that all plastic air line filter bowls now have metal guards on them. No, I don't think there is anyway to be sure without testing. Do be careful.
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Post by oologahan on Dec 19, 2019 8:19:06 GMT -5
Plastic pipe for air lines can be dangerous. Many plastics are not compatible with many oils, and every compressor emits oil, (OK, except pissy little oilless units that no one in their right mind uses for for a shop.) The oil degrades the plastic and you get an explosion as many feet of the pipe fails at once. At work we soak all plastic parts in whatever oil they are likely to encounter, sometimes they fail in minutes. That is the reason that all plastic air line filter bowls now have metal guards on them. No, I don't think there is anyway to be sure without testing. Do be careful. When I was in the military we were instructed to never get oil on the stocks of our M16's, they showed us how it degraded the plastic stocks very quickly
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Post by ronaldt on Dec 19, 2019 8:20:57 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is that plastic does not cool the air. Compressed air leaving the pump is very hot. With a plastic piped system, the air tends to cool and form condensation at the end of the run (in your hose) resulting in water going through your tools. I'm not trying to tell you what to do, just sharing what I've learned over the years.
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Post by jklw77 on Dec 19, 2019 10:48:45 GMT -5
this is for and the 4" pvc pipe blythkd mentioned , not a good idea for putting into an air system. if fittings are glued they maintain at a lower air pressure but not standard pressures of air compressors 125 to 175 PSI , they WILL SEPARATE. know this from personnel experience when I set up a new compressor air system.had cleaner and glue set as making up joints , let set for 24 hours for safety sake .within one minute of pressurizing a joint failed sending pvc flying .some people use small pvc pipe but it cold be a possible rupture at any time .cheapest and easiest way get a discard compressor tank for added volume with pop off , and drain valves, if u have space
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Post by jklw77 on Dec 19, 2019 10:57:59 GMT -5
galvanized pipe is a water pipe, when used with compressed air ,flakes of galvanized plating dislodge and travel thru air system. use gas line or black iron pipe yes it will rust but no flakes .
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Post by ronaldt on Dec 19, 2019 11:53:44 GMT -5
galvanized pipe is a water pipe, when used with compressed air ,flakes of galvanized plating dislodge and travel thru air system. use gas line or black iron pipe yes it will rust but no flakes . A representative from sharp paint guns is who recommended galvanized pipe to us. We plumbed the body shop with inch and a quarter galvanized pipe over 20 years ago and no flake problems. And we use a LOT of air. Most "experts" are pushing aluminum now. Maybe galvanized pipe is poorer quality than it used to be?
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Post by ronaldt on Dec 19, 2019 12:06:41 GMT -5
I just realized that this thread started over ruined ID tag.🤔 Haha
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Post by sweepleader on Dec 19, 2019 12:14:48 GMT -5
I just realized that this thread started over ruined ID tag.🤔 Haha (Threads do tend to wander a bit. :{) )
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Post by ronaldt on Dec 19, 2019 12:16:59 GMT -5
I just realized that this thread started over ruined ID tag.🤔 Haha (Threads do tend to wander a bit. :{) ) Yep, I am guilty as charged!
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Post by blythkd on Dec 19, 2019 12:41:22 GMT -5
I just realized that this thread started over ruined ID tag.🤔 Haha (Threads do tend to wander a bit. :{) ) Yeah I fessed up to hijacking the thread when I did it, just didn't realize it would gain so much momentum:)
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Post by johnly on Dec 19, 2019 22:29:17 GMT -5
Thought I had something for you, but it was a blue XL-12 parts saw.
John
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Post by johnly on Dec 19, 2019 22:44:28 GMT -5
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Post by oologahan on Dec 19, 2019 22:51:57 GMT -5
I have no idea who you are responding to, but my saw is red, green, and white and looks like a blue Super XL Automatic
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Post by johnly on Dec 20, 2019 0:58:59 GMT -5
OK. I see a lot of saws and parts saws and was just hoping that I might come across the replacement part you needed.
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