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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 22:37:55 GMT -5
Ok finally got to see and hold and even start a super 1050 automatic today just won’t ever own this one...it’s clean too. Anyway my neighbor has a friend who has...never mind all that confused me too. Anyway in the neighborhood where the tornado hit today right down the road there was a couple who had a massive tree fall over in their backyard and land on their back porch. The girls Dad had a super 1050 that apparently she ended up with when he died and now her husband (a pharmaceutical sales rep) decided he could use it to clear up the tree. Guess how that went. So it ended up in my garage today it was running great I guess until whatever happened to bog it down happened and required him to remove the bar and chain and that’s when it stopped cutting. So when I got it the chain was on backwards, fixed that. I noticed the drum was bluish purple and black and flakes of crud falling off of it. In other words it got very hot. I pulled it off and there is not a grove or any signs of wear on the inside surface where the clutch runs nor does the clutch appear to be worn down bad. Would this drum still be good for what that saw may do the rest of its life or does it need replacing?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 22:53:19 GMT -5
If I were you John I'd try to talk the guy out of the saw.Say something like:You know that saw is for somebody like a professional logger,maybe you'd like a smaller saw that's easier to handle,not so hard on the back?Ya never know.....Lol
This post was made with due respect to all members involved.
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Post by will on Apr 14, 2018 23:14:44 GMT -5
If I were you John I'd try to talk the guy out of the saw.Say something like:You know that saw is for somebody like a professional logger,maybe you'd like a smaller saw that's easier to handle,not so hard on the back?Ya never know.....Lol This post was made with due respect to all members involved. I wouldn't say that, that brings bad karma and the guy is probably smart enough to know when he's being conned. He probably already wishes for a newer Stihl. You converse with the man about your love for the old saws and your interest in having it and the likelihood of you keeping it and not selling it for a profit, and the saw just may end up in your lap. |
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Post by sweepleader on Apr 14, 2018 23:20:17 GMT -5
Yeah, what Ed said ^. If there are no scars in the clutch and the shoes look OK for wear, it just might be fine. Sounds like it was beyond red hot so I would be looking closely at the area were the drum cylinder turns 90 degrees toward the bearing area, in the corner, for cracks. My guess is if it was that hot, it is likely stretched oversize in diameter by pressure from the shoes and may not grip properly anymore. If it was my saw, I would change the drum but then I am like that. If it was someone else's saw, I would let them decide. Make sure you decide... :{)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 23:50:45 GMT -5
If it were your saw Dan it wouldn't have gotten in that condition in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 5:16:12 GMT -5
I think I’m just gonna order him a new clutch drum, it’s what I would do. In the meantime I’m gonna take a couple of saws over there and help out and see if he is willing to learn for next time he may need it.
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Post by will on Apr 15, 2018 9:08:53 GMT -5
If it were your saw Dan it wouldn't have gotten in that condition in the first place.As for what Will said about the guy being too smart to fall for a con line - he couldn't have been that smart to have gotten the clutch drum that hot to begin with.The guy is a pharmaceutical sales rep,what the hell does a guy like that know about a chainsaw - absolutely nothing.I'm surprised he even knew how to start it,of course he probably had some help in that dept.I am by no means putting anyone down.I'm saying that there are people out there who know how to operate power equipment,& then there are people out there that don't know.You can't expect everyone to know how to operate a chainsaw just like you can't expect everyone to know how to perform brain surgery. This post was made with due respect to all members involved. You don't have to know anything about chainsaws to know someone is conning you. You make the guy out to be stupid because he doesn't work with his hands. That's an assumption that is very unfair and wasn't very respectful to a guy that made a mistake, we've all made mistakes, just sayin. Not that we all don't think these things, but a lot of that post really wasn't needed to be said where someday he or other guys that don't work with their hands might see it. I think sticking to the issue of the saw is a better way to respond to this thread, lets take the high road :-) |
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Post by lesorubcheek on Apr 15, 2018 9:25:05 GMT -5
I'm trying to think what may have caused the clutch to get hot... Kinda hard to think this morning, the storm rolled through here during the night so didn't sleep much. lol. Anyway, first thought is the clutch was allowed to slip, possibly because the saw wasn't running at proper rpm to fully engage. Another possibility is the chain was binding someway and causing the clutch to have to work hard trying to get a grip. Anyway, I get paranoid if I don't understand why something happened. Replacing the drum/sprocket definitely sounds appropriate. May want to ask the owner to describe the circumstances and see if something makes sense. If he put the chain on backwards, that may be a clue that something wasn't right and he tried to correct it. If someone else prior put it on backwards, could have been just a mistake, there just may be something else going on with the bar/chain, or maybe the oiler... again, just good to nail down exactly what's going on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 9:31:20 GMT -5
Yea He did say he removed it trying to find where the smoke was coming from. Im going over there after lunch with some of my saws to help him once we get the worst out of the way I am going to try and see if I find something wrong with it. Maybe by the end of the day we will both...er all 3 of us learn some new things
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Post by stillsawing on Apr 15, 2018 11:05:57 GMT -5
Help out with the saw and his cleanup.
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Post by onlyhomelites on Apr 15, 2018 12:04:51 GMT -5
Yep, stressful times like this can cause anyone to make a mistake. I think it's admirable that you're stepping in to help a guy out that clearly needs help!
I've seen blueing from the factory on a clutch drum around the hub/sprocket area, but if the whole drum is discolored, that's a bad sign. Replacement is the best option. As for the clutch shoes, if they appear glazed, I've had luck roughing the glaze with some 60 grit and a few passes...just like on a car brake rotor.
I've seen material like you found...usually it is a mix of clutch material, oil & sawdust. It makes a helluva flaky, dark, nasty looking substance. When the new drum comes in, if it has more than about 1/16" of clearance to the shoes, the shoes took some bad wear.
Also, if the saw develops tuning problems, the crankshaft may have gotten hot enough to damage the crank seal. Since the clutch and drum don't look worse, this probably didn't happen, but I just figured I'd throw it out there.
Good luck and I hope you guys can avoid any more tornadoes!
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Post by rarefish383 on Apr 19, 2018 18:07:44 GMT -5
Having worked with 1050's commercially since I was 16, I'd say he started a top cut, cut till it pinched and leaned on the throttle. If the chain was locked up in a pinch and he tried to cut through it leaning on the throttle, I could see the clutch shoes slipping till it glowed red. That saw is too big for homeowner use. I don't think it would be inappropriate to talk about a possible trade for a smaller saw, especially if you were to offer to buy a brand new quality saw. Anything from the size of an MS170 to a 290, whatever the two of you thought equitable. I don't know what someone else thinks something is worth till we talk about it. I know I just bought a super running Super 1050 at an auction for $150. I think I'd gladly go $200 on any runner, and $300 on a clean runner. But I might be off base. I'd also say right up front I'm not out to rob him, but by the same token, I couldn't replace the 1050 for a new MS660. I wouldn't offer to trade for a sweet XL12 either, but if he was in my shop and said, "I like the XL12 there", well that's a start on the path to the end, Joe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 21:46:34 GMT -5
Well after going by last Sunday and helping clean up, meeting his wife and being around the guy more I decided not to say a word about him not needing it. He's a good guy that was just trying to clean up after a small tornado ran through his back yard. I think ordinarily he may have hired that done but I believe since he had that (and a few others) in his garage that had belonged to his Father-in-law (recently passed) he thought what the heck I will try it. Now he had been around saws before but I think nerves had him in a pinch. I also think you are correct about the pinch situation. The chain I found had a bad spot in it and it would stop dead in its tracks near the tip of the bar. I am sure he pinched it because I have done the same thing in the past. I did however find a clutch drum and ordered it for him when it gets here I will put it on for him. I also believe he was genuinely upset by damaging the saw and his wife as well but all is good he will be back running good and sitting in his garage again. They may be owned by someone who is not all that proficient with it but certainly does cherish them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 22:04:59 GMT -5
Well after going by last Sunday and helping clean up, meeting his wife and being around the guy more I decided not to say a word about him not needing it. He's a good guy that was just trying to clean up after a small tornado ran through his back yard. I think ordinarily he may have hired that done but I believe since he had that (and a few others) in his garage that had belonged to his Father-in-law (recently passed) he thought what the heck I will try it. Now he had been around saws before but I think nerves had him in a pinch. I also think you are correct about the pinch situation. The chain I found had a bad spot in it and it would stop dead in its tracks near the tip of the bar. I am sure he pinched it because I have done the same thing in the past. I did however find a clutch drum and ordered it for him when it gets here I will put it on for him. I also believe he was genuinely upset by damaging the saw and his wife as well but all is good he will be back running good and sitting in his garage again. They may be owned by someone who is not all that proficient with it but certainly does cherish them. Another great story that proves in helping a neighbor you found a guy with great character and respect for his father and old tool |
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Post by sweepleader on Apr 20, 2018 7:14:31 GMT -5
Very nice, you should be commended for your kindness. His proficiency is not as important as his attitude and you have helped him remember the good times. Well done.
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Post by onlyhomelites on Apr 21, 2018 17:30:20 GMT -5
Now this is a happy ending for everyone...your Kharma bank balance just went up significantly!
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