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Post by jerseyhighlander on Jan 7, 2018 22:22:43 GMT -5
Well, I didn't get any further on the getting the Super 2 running stable. Mostly because I decided to drive a hundred miles into Connecticut to get this. IMG_5111 by Kyle, on Flickr The craiglist ad had been reposted just before xmas, but that wasn't doable. It's been eating at me though so I looked back and it was still listed but still pretty far away. Then yesterday, I started looking for the closest Bass Pro Shop to take my son to and low and behold, it's right down the road from where this pump was. Throw in proximity to a good microbrew pub for dinner and we were on the road. It's a bit bigger than I imagined. Had a very funky looking carb. Nasty stale gas in tank and on closer examination, I don't think the green is the original color, there is some red peeking out from the inlet & outlet pipes on top, mostly silver on the rest. IMG_5110 by Kyle, on Flickr IMG_5112 by Kyle, on Flickr IMG_5113 by Kyle, on Flickr IMG_5115 by Kyle, on Flickr IMG_5117 by Kyle, on Flickr IMG_5118 by Kyle, on Flickr IMG_5121 by Kyle, on Flickr IMG_5124 by Kyle, on Flickr
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 22:57:14 GMT -5
I wanted to see pictures of the roads too, darn
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Post by stillsawing on Jan 7, 2018 23:02:43 GMT -5
When you find a suction line, you will be amazed at how much it will pump. I had training and firefighting experience with those and the generators. I never saw one that wouldn't start with one or two pulls. Neat motors, tons of grunt when under a full load. The only color I saw them painted back in the day was silver. It sounds like you had a great day with that road trip.
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Post by jerseyhighlander on Jan 8, 2018 0:01:37 GMT -5
Almost forgot, the pictures of the data tag didn't go through. It's a model 8S3 - 1 Serial # 1774073 IMG_6460 by Kyle, on Flickr IMG_6466 by Kyle, on Flickr One of the coolest features I've noticed so far was the gas tank cap. Pulled it out and noticed a long tube on the inside end of the cap. IMG_5129 by Kyle, on Flickr Put it back in and looked at the righting on the outside. IMG_5127 by Kyle, on Flickr Stillsawing; My first guess was it came from a fire dept. Thanks for the confirmation. I'd imagine this beast can do 200-300 gpm.? I'm guessing I need something like a firehose as a suction line? When I thought it was a lot smaller, I had imagined I'd neck it down a bit on both end but I don't think I can go too far with this. Any idea what the pump itself is? Looks a bit big/wide to be an impeller, but definitely not my area of expertise. Mike, I'll get you pictures of the road next trip.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 7:30:37 GMT -5
The pump is in awesome shape.It will make a great addition to your collection,
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Post by sweepleader on Jan 8, 2018 9:47:16 GMT -5
I am green with envy, I loved that pump when I first saw the CL ad posted way back when. I like the green too, even if it is not original. That pump would be a fantastic standout as a restoration. Nice ID tag. Everything is nice, even if it never runs again I would love to own it.
With as much oil as they used to recommend, I would bet it is in great shape inside. The carb and the the ignition might be not so great though, looks like some really nasty gas. That would indicate that the tank is not full of holes however, a good sign.
There's a paper bar code tag near the 207 that says "Long Hill..." Was the pump at a pawn shop? Is that tag from a fire department? What else does it say?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 11:11:36 GMT -5
I am green with envy, I loved that pump when I first saw the CL ad posted way back when. I like the green too, even if it is not original. That pump would be a fantastic standout as a restoration. Nice ID tag. Everything is nice, even if it never runs again I would love to own it. With as much oil as they used to recommend, I would bet it is in great shape inside. The carb and the the ignition might be not so great though, looks like some really nasty gas. That would indicate that the tank is not full of holes however, a good sign. There's a paper bar code tag near the 207 that says "Long Hill..." Was the pump at a pawn shop? Is that tag from a fire department? What else does it say? Good eye bar code may be from Yankee Peddler and pawn in Long Hill Connecticut
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Post by jerseyhighlander on Jan 8, 2018 18:23:33 GMT -5
I haven't looked close at that bar code sticker. I asked if he knew any of it's history and where he got it. He didn't know anything except that he bought it at an auto swapmeet a while back just because he thought it was cool. Said it ran then but he hasn't run it since. He collects Jukeboxes & such so it was outside his focus.
I look forward to doing a full restoration on this including making it fully functional. I just hope parts aren't too hard to get.
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Post by stillsawing on Jan 8, 2018 19:43:19 GMT -5
The fill cap/measure cup was standard equipment. The usual set up was female lugged union at the intake, male lugged bib at the discharge. Those fittings are left permanent on the pump. Some set ups were both male, different fire companies, different preferences. The one thing that is stated on the tag is the suction line must be tight, they mean just that. If my memory serves me, they are rated at 250 gal. per min. at zero lift and 50ft. of 2 1/2" hose. I would hunt for an IPL and find service info to familiarize yourself with the pump. I recall that just about every local volunteer company had as many as 3 along with a couple of generator, that was the late 50s to the mid 70s. Replaced with the 4 strokes. I want to think that early pumps and gen sets were Civil Defense surplus which were originally war surplus. I have recently seen a fire hose lug wrench on EBay. Nice score on the pump!
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Post by stillsawing on Jan 8, 2018 19:50:11 GMT -5
Volutes Centrifugal type pump.
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Post by sweepleader on Jan 8, 2018 21:43:26 GMT -5
If it was a fire pump it could have any of a dozen or more different thread patterns on it. You should carefully measure the thread size and pitch, then compare what you find with specs from any web search results. Looking for hose to fit my fire truck I ran into this problem. All the big old cities had their own threads and there were/are several national "standard" patterns. My truck turns out to be NH for National Hose, seems to be the most common. Without knowing anything about the pumps history however and having found it in the east, it could be anything. Do not expect it to be NPT or fit anything anywhere without confirming. You could damage things. I found an old guy with lots of fire related stuff, he had some different fittings we tried until NH fit. Geez, I like that pump, never saw another Homelite pump like it.
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Post by jerseyhighlander on Jan 8, 2018 22:36:52 GMT -5
If it was a fire pump it could have any of a dozen or more different thread patterns on it. You should carefully measure the thread size and pitch, then compare what you find with specs from any web search results. Looking for hose to fit my fire truck I ran into this problem. All the big old cities had their own threads and there were/are several national "standard" patterns. My truck turns out to be NH for National Hose, seems to be the most common. Without knowing anything about the pumps history however and having found it in the east, it could be anything. Do not expect it to be NPT or fit anything anywhere without confirming. You could damage things. I found an old guy with lots of fire related stuff, he had some different fittings we tried until NH fit. Geez, I like that pump, never saw another Homelite pump like it. Good information, I'll have to look into it. Fortunately I have a couple firemen in the family on the east side of the state. Lots of old stuff hanging around those dept's. If nothing else, I do have a fairly decent machinist lathe and should be able to cut my own threads for just about anything if I have to. It isn't an NPT thread, no taper to it at all. The strainer for the suction hose was screwed on to the inlet pipe, so at least I have that. That barcode sticker says "Long Hill Fire Dist. across the top. Which appears to refer to the Long Hill Fire District, which does serve the town of Trumbull where the pump was. "Sta1" on the bottom left corner and 234271 on the bottom right corner. I think Stillsawing's idea about it being mil surplus that the fire depts received is a good possibility. Anyone care to guess a date of manufacture for this?
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Post by sweepleader on Jan 9, 2018 13:08:01 GMT -5
1959 or 60 if the internet can be believed.
Contact the Long Hill Fire District, Station 1 and see what thread pattern they use, or used. Someone might know.
That sticker might lead them to their files and a whole bunch of info. Get going!!
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Post by sweepleader on Jan 11, 2018 15:29:36 GMT -5
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Post by jerseyhighlander on Jan 11, 2018 19:26:48 GMT -5
1959 or 60 if the internet can be believed. Contact the Long Hill Fire District, Station 1 and see what thread pattern they use, or used. Someone might know. That sticker might lead them to their files and a whole bunch of info. Get going!! I did have that thought & may do just that when I have some time again. Work just got unexpectedly busy & I need to feast while the feasting is good. Being you know more about these things than I do, if you want to call on my behalf, be my guest.
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