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Post by redrider on Jul 27, 2021 13:22:57 GMT -5
Redrider- Hope that the quest finding the problem is going well. This Homelite diagnosis page may be of benefit tracking the trouble down: View AttachmentThis is exactly what I needed just to completely understand the oiling system. Now it makes total sense I did get the part from Leon and installed it yesterday. Went to start the saw and broke the starter rope. That crap always seems to happen. Went back out after doing some other chores and put a new one on. Saw fires up and runs great. It does oil now but only at higher RPMs. Does that seem typical? I now that see the diagram I’m going to find that pickup hose and check it. It may be fine and that may be how they oil. Never really compared it to the other one I have so don’t know. Some saws I have just ooz oil everywhere. Some are just barely adequate. This may be a just barely saw I’ll mess with it down more and keep posting as it comes along. As it sit though is still cut with it. Manual oiler works like a champs. We just need some rain before I head out to the national forest and get more wood. If it isn’t closed now it will be soon Thanks again for all the info 👍🏻
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Post by tangobravo on Jul 27, 2021 13:34:59 GMT -5
Remove the pickup hose and strainer by disconnecting the rubber line that comes out of the air box. The metal fitting is then unscrewed to get the tank line and strainer out. Check if that strainer is plugging up with debris. Clean the strainer very well to help keep the oil flow going. The automatic pump works by a VERY small displacement movement and it needs to not have any resistance or air leaks to pump efficiently. Make sure the duckbill in the cap isn't jelled shut too. When it works, it should have no trouble pumping adequate oil.
BTW- Is that a pro gasser in your avatar?
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Post by redrider on Jul 27, 2021 23:44:34 GMT -5
Remove the pickup hose and strainer by disconnecting the rubber line that comes out of the air box. The metal fitting is then unscrewed to get the tank line and strainer out. Check if that strainer is plugging up with debris. Clean the strainer very well to help keep the oil flow going. The automatic pump works by a VERY small displacement movement and it needs to not have any resistance or air leaks to pump efficiently. Make sure the duckbill in the cap isn't jelled shut too. When it works, it should have no trouble pumping adequate oil. BTW- Is that a pro gasser in your avatar? That car was my wife’s grandpa’s from 1977 to 1980. You opened a can of worms so here comes the story. It was originally a 74 Don Hardy Vega owned by the professor, Kelly Chadwick. Kelly sold it to her grandpa, Claud Hodges, in 77. It’s a pro stock car and he intended to race it, but the guy who was going to drive it crashed the car shortly after he bought it. It went back down to Don Hardy and was rebuilt as a 77 pro stock Vega. Claud wanted to run the car in AHRA competition but didn’t have anyone who could drive it. There was one guy who knew, named Shelby Jester, but he hadn’t driven since flipping the Shag Monza owned by Andy White at the NHRA winter nationals the year before. Shelby’s career is quite the story and I can go on forever about it. But for that car, Claud asked Shelby to come out of retirement and drive for him. Shelby wasn’t to sure about the idea, but agreed to come out to the 78 AHRA winter nationals and take a pass. They didn’t make the finals that race but Shelby got the bug back. He also knew that car very well because it was set up just the same as the Shag Monza he drove (the car he finished in the top 10 of the NHRA standings in 76). So Claud and Shelby made a deal, Shelby took the car back home, reworked the engine using some knowledge he obtained while working with the guys at rehr and Morrison, and then hit the AHRA season for the remainder of the 78 year. Long story short, they won two nationals that year, one being the AHRA world finals and that win was enough to win the pro stock world championship. They did it again in 1980 Shelby’s story is amazing. He has beaten just about every name in pro stock in the 70s. From Dyno Don, Lee shepherd, and even Warren Johnson. I had a chance to meet him a few years back and he is just an amazing guy. We were at outlaw Armageddon in Oklahoma and I was like a kid just sitting there watching the races and hearing his stories. As for the saw, I didn’t see the oil line from the picture you sent me. I need to poke around a little more but it appears the hard line from the manual pump check valves just goes back towards the oil tank and there is no rubber line. I’m sure there is one I just need to pull more stuff off. I think whatever line was in the tank may have broken off. I can’t see it and I can’t fish anything with a hook to pull it up and see it. I’ll give it some more time tomorrow. It runs like a champ and the oil issue is really close. I’m just trying to resolve it without taking it apart. I’ve never disassembles one of these before but it might be time to get in to a little bit more. Thanks again for all the info. I’ll be sure to keep everyone posted. It always seems to be an adventure whenever I buy someone else’s junk saw
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Post by tangobravo on Jul 28, 2021 0:36:49 GMT -5
Fishing the oil line out on some models may be a good technique-but not on one of these. You want to remove the rubber feed line that you see in this picture on the left side where it pushes over a screwed in hose barb. It is the shorter line just under the fuel line. Pull the oil line off gently by pulling back. Then use a 6 point socket to remove the fitting. The internal tank hose and strainer will come out and can be inspected & cleaned. Thanks for the memory jog on your race days. We had a big block Lenco 4 speed pro gas 67 Camaro we raced out of division 5. We raced all over the country back in the same time when Super Gas finally became a national category (after Modified eliminator was dissolved). Hardy made a lot of 1st class winning race chassis' and Reher &Morrison were a total legend with Lee Shepherd. David Reher is the only one left. Lee Shepherd one of my all time favorites and couldn't believe when I heard about his Ardmore, OK accident. Thanks for sharing-
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Post by redrider on Jul 28, 2021 8:28:48 GMT -5
Fishing the oil line out on some models may be a good technique-but not on one of these. You want to remove the rubber feed line that you see in this picture on the left side where it pushes over a screwed in hose barb. It is the shorter line just under the fuel line. Pull the oil line off gently by pulling back. Then use a 6 point socket to remove the fitting. The internal tank hose and strainer will come out and can be inspected & cleaned. View AttachmentThanks for the memory jog on your race days. We had a big block Lenco 4 speed pro gas 67 Camaro we raced out of division 5. We raced all over the country back in the same time when Super Gas finally became a national category (after Modified eliminator was dissolved). Hardy made a lot of 1st class winning race chassis' and Reher &Morrison were a total legend with Lee Shepherd. David Reher is the only one left. Lee Shepherd one of my all time favorites and couldn't believe when I heard about his Ardmore, OK accident. Thanks for sharing- Pictures are worth a thousand words. Exactly what I needed to see what I’m looking for. I’ll get her back apart tonight and finally get that oil line diagnosed as either good or not. I pulled down an old Mac 250 and put a wrench to it. I’ll just slide it down the bench a little and get back to the little EZ. 👍🏻
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Post by tangobravo on Jul 28, 2021 8:57:03 GMT -5
You'll sort it soon. Filter pick up, rubber lines, o-rings and auto pump outlet check valve should be your primary suspects.
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Post by redrider on Jul 28, 2021 21:52:33 GMT -5
You'll sort it soon. Filter pick up, rubber lines, o-rings and auto pump outlet check valve should be your primary suspects. Seeing the picture was the key. I went home and found everything and can’t believe I totally missed it. Super simple as you explained and the hose came off, the threaded nipple came out, and the tank hose and screen were removed. I can’t tell you there was any blockage or debris, but I blew everything out and installed it. Fired up the saw and now she drops oil like a champ. Thank you so much for the chat room lesson on these saws. I can’t tell you why I really like the EZs but they are just cool as heck. And for 41ccs, they cut like crazy. So I filed the chain, started it up, and headed to the back yard to test it. And just like my other EZ, she is a hungry girl So, I guess that means I need t find another. Happy cuttin’! 👍🏻
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Post by tangobravo on Jul 28, 2021 22:43:45 GMT -5
Good to hear-They function so much better if that internal hose is attached! Glad it was a success. I'm with ya on the charm of these saws. For some reason I felt the need to have one too. For smaller jobs I think they work well. My SXL 925 is my pro stocker though!
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Post by gregomatic on Oct 22, 2021 1:53:14 GMT -5
Tango, Grego here and I just wanted to say thanks for posting that for Redrider because that oiler test procedure is exactly the first thing I needed to fix on my blue SXLAO. Just pouring through that diagram answered a lot of questions I had bouncing around upstairs. At least now I have my head on a little straighter and have a better plan of action as I'm fairly certain I've a check valve issue. Cheers bud! G
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Post by melonboi1 on Feb 7, 2024 14:40:46 GMT -5
My Super EZ Automatic has oiler problems as well, I got it running in December and I never checked if the automatic oiler didn’t work, but now I know as a fact it doesn’t because of the fact it simply doesn’t oil and the chain gets hard to move, thank goodness the Manual oiler works but today I just took off the Automatic oiler and I don’t know what to look for. It is VERY dirty around the pump but when I took it off the oil hose got torn and I don’t know how to replace it. I believe there is different models that had different routing of the oil lines, but mine is a 1979 model (I think) serial number is 293450302 and UT number is 10403A, hope this helps. I can also send pictures if necessary.
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Post by blythkd on Feb 7, 2024 18:17:48 GMT -5
If the oiler had a hose hooked to it, we know what you have. You could pull a little more hose from the tank and shorten it up a bit but if it failed once, maybe it's not in very good condition? Probably needs a new hose pulled into the tank.
First thing I always check when one won't oil is the strainer on the end of the pickup line. When you take the oil fill cap off, you should see that pickup line right inside the fill hole. Just need to hook it with something and pull it up out of the tank. The mesh strainer on the end of the hose is usually plugged with sawdust.
Doesn't hurt a thing to remove the oiler and clean everything up. Check out the gears. The teeth on the pump shaft are prone to getting worn down.
Check all that out then let us know.
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Post by downndirty on Feb 7, 2024 18:52:19 GMT -5
A little off topic here but has anyone found a replacement Super EZ crankshaft bearing for PTO side? The part I believe is 65044-S. Thanks, this one bearing is preventing a total restoration project from coming to fruition.
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Post by rowdy235 on Feb 7, 2024 19:28:22 GMT -5
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of an official aftermarket one, but I am sure one exists. Do you have the old bearing you can get measurements from?
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Post by melonboi1 on Feb 16, 2024 23:11:16 GMT -5
Sorry for the really late reply, but I got the oil pump off and the line out of the tank, when I first got the saw it was seized up and to get to the oil line I had to completely disassemble the saw but I wanted to restore it anyway. There is corrosion inside the crankcase. Besides that The oil filter came out also, and I ordered a new pump and I’ll show you just how worn the old gear was.
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Post by melonboi1 on Feb 16, 2024 23:12:21 GMT -5
I am going to bed right now but I will follow up tomorrow.
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Post by blythkd on Feb 17, 2024 6:29:24 GMT -5
Yep that'll do it. Need to check the worm gear over carefully too. Wouldn't be good to put a worn worm gear against a new pump.
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Post by melonboi1 on Feb 17, 2024 12:34:49 GMT -5
Now back at it today the new pump comes with two accessories, the thing that the oil line goes to (I forget the name) and this VERY small aluminum cap. Now it did come with an old installation instruction sheet but I would like help from here. The line that goes into the airbox with the carburetor connects to the fitting on the manual oil pump plunger and goes from there to the tank which also has a fitting. However the line that broke when I removed the oil pump also went to the tank. This was the line I had to completely disassemble the saw to get to, it has a filter on the end which wasn’t plugged up with sawdust but what I am confused on is why there is a seperate line for that. What I am trying to say is the line that broke goes from inside the tank with the filter to the oil pump and the other line goes from the airbox manual oil pump to the tank also. Now the manual oil pump line went to a fitting on the tank and when I unscrewed this fitting there was another line on the end of it. This confuses me greatly. Is there two filters because the one for the manual oil pump looked like it had something on the end of it but it could have broke, I am sorry if this confuses you it is just hard to explain. I can send more pictures if you want.
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Post by melonboi1 on Feb 17, 2024 12:44:47 GMT -5
Image #1 ⬆️. Image #2 ⬆️. Image #3 ⬆️ in image #1 that is the hole in the tank for the oil line with the filter on the end of it. That is the line that broke when I removed it from the oil pump. in image #2 that is that fitting that has the line going to the airbox I was talking about. and in image #3 that is exactly what that fitting looked like when I removed it.
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Post by blythkd on Feb 17, 2024 15:50:40 GMT -5
There are 2 separate pickup lines with strainers on them, one goes to the manual pump and one goes to the automatic pump. If you put it all back together, it should be fine.
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Post by melonboi1 on Feb 17, 2024 18:32:33 GMT -5
There are 2 separate pickup lines with strainers on them, one goes to the manual pump and one goes to the automatic pump. If you put it all back together, it should be fine. Do you know what size the line is? And I didn’t see a strainer on the end of the manual one.
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