I Just Found A VI Super 2

[edju1958]

Hey everyone,I was going through my saws in my back shed that I'd gotten in the truckload 'O saws back 3 yrs.ago & found I had this VI Super 2.I'd grouped it with all the other Super 2s I had & it was so dirty that I couldn't even read the VI on the recoil.The saw had no plug in it & when I first pulled it over I thought it didn't have much compression.After I brought it in I saw the no plug issue.I checked for spark & it has none.I'm thinking dirty points or bad condenser.I already tried disconnecting the switch & it had no effect.The saw is complete with a bar & chain.The only part missing that I could see is the air filter cover.I'm sure it'll need a carb rebuild.The UT # is 105494 & serial # is 783260?81.There was a black spot where the ? was & as much as I tried I couldn't get that spot off.That # only designates the # of units that were made that day.I think it was made on the 326th day of 1978.It has a metal safety lever & totally magnesium case.I'll see if I can pull the flywheel & clean up the points & get spark back.

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[edju1958]

I looked on the 1st 2 IPLs listed & they both call for breaker points,but there's no condenser listed in either IPL.Am I missing something?I also tried looking up the UT # - 105494 & nothing comes up.

[undee70ss]

Because it’s included with the points

[edju1958]

You'd think that the dumb asses who drew up the IPL could've stated the condenser was included in the points assembly.Poulan did the same BS by putting the points with the condenser.If the points are still good,too bad & vice -versa.

     Is there supposed to be a points box cover?I didn't see that on the IPL either.The points were only the slightest bit tarnished,not enough to prohibit spark IMO.The lead that goes to the coil looks like it was replaced & they didn't put a terminal on the end that attaches to the points screw.I'll clean up the points & put them back in & put a terminal on the lead that goes to the points screw.If I get spark,great,but if not it'll get a chip.I can't see spending $28 on a set of points & a condenser that most likely isn't any good.

[blythkd]

No cover over the breaker set, just the flywheel like all the other Super 2's and little XL's.

[edju1958]

Thanks Brent.This is my first Super 2 that I've ever had pulled down like this.On the bottom of the saw there's a bracket that runs from the rear handle to about mid-way to the saw's underbelly & there are 2 bolts that hold that bracket from moving.The bolts screw into the engine or the engine housing.I can't find them on the IPL.They need to be at least a couple inches long & I assume they have washers on them too.This saw might not be worth fixing at all if the oil pump is shot.I just looked one up on Feebay & they want $100!

[edju1958]

Glad I got all that help with those bolts.I put the points & condenser back in today & got no spark,so I'm pretty sure the condenser is shot.I put a chip in the saw & got spark,but I prefer the one wire chip & it looks like I'm all out.The 2 wire chip is much thicker & it prevents me from mounting it in the saw where I want to.I had the saw running for a very short time & it quit on me.I think the switch is bad.

[edju1958]

For those of you who maybe couldn't figure out what I was talking about in the above post,here's a pic to help out.I've looked at a couple I{Ls & couldn't find the part #s for these missing bolts.

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[blythkd]

Those screws are just short 10-24 screws like any other Super 2 would have. I'm guessing about 5/8" long. Originals would have been slotted pan head type. The holes in the iso mount bracket are access holes to get to the screws, the screws don't fasten tight to the mount, they just go through it and crank the engine down to the case.

[edju1958]

Thanks Brent.I've got some parts saws that I'm sure still have those screws that I can use.One thing I've noticed is the bar & engine turn sideways,is that due to the missing screws?

[blythkd]

I'd think if the top 2 mount screws are still in place that would keep the engine pretty secure in the case. The iso-vibe system on those saws always seemed fairly soft, in my opinion, maybe that's what you're seeing.

Edit: Just went back and looked at pictures again.  If you put the handlebar back on that'll tighten things up quite a bit and make the engine/bar a lot less floppy.

[edju1958]

I didn't realize it,but the saw is missing the front handle.(part # A70604) & I see that Leon has that handle.It's also missing the screws for holding the handle on (part # 80841 & part # 82239).Are there any other parts I'll need to put the handle back on such as any isolator parts?

[blythkd]

Just the handlebar and 2 screws should get it.

[edju1958]

Thanks Brent,those IPLs are difficult fort me to read sometimes.I'm getting 3 of the 82239 screws,the IPL calls for 3 of them & one is used on the top portion of the handle to secure it & I believer the other 2 are used to hold the engine to the case.They're 5/8 in.long as you said you thought they were.

[edju1958]

I'm reviving this thread after 10 months.I pulled it apart earlier this month & did a little cleaning on it.This saw is going to require several helicoils.All 4 mounting bosses for the engine to case are wallowed out as well as the 2 bottom bosses for the recoil.I pulled the points out again & cleaned them with emery cloth,regapped them & this time it had good spark.I pulled the muffler off first thing to check the P&C & they were both good.It'll take some elbow grease to get this little gem back to it's former glory.

[blythkd]

Yeah those engine mount screws on a S2VI have to be loctited to keep them from coming loose. With no human mass to absorb the vibration of the engine, they just vibrate apart.

Of course, with helicoils, loctite wouldn't be a good idea. But now you'll be able to get them tight enough to stay tight.