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Post by tangobravo on Mar 3, 2022 15:58:38 GMT -5
I wanted to see if I can get some clarity on the full wrap bars on these models. My current understanding is:
The West Coast model Super EZ was made starting with the later plastic starter housing models around 1980 or so. This had a full wrap around bar and a West Coast baffled and shielded muffler (the Sponge Bob looker). You could also buy a West Coast KIT that included the full bar, bracket, muffler assembly and instructions to convert a standard Super EZ model into a West Coast model. This West Coast configuration was a United States set up to be California/West Coast compliant, and the muffler designed to control heat to avoid branding your left thigh with a hot muffler. The bar as well as the muffler were also available separately if desired.
The Canadian XL Super Mini was a kissing cousin to the Super EZ and was available with a full wrap bar, but never came with a West Coast muffler. There was NO West Coast Canadian model. A full wrap bar could be ordered and placed on a Super Mini but a kit with the West Coast muffler was not offered. ALL full wrap bars (US and Canadian) were unpainted, and the Canadian full wraps never came black painted like the standard super Mini bars made in Canada?
Any help clarifying my understanding appreciated!!
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Post by MI Old Saw on Mar 6, 2022 22:27:12 GMT -5
I am curious too. I finally nabbed an EZ WC muffler and nos full wrap bar just today. I am going to take a bit different route though, and use them on my XL Mini drill.
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Post by tangobravo on Mar 6, 2022 23:47:36 GMT -5
I've been looking around at some examples of padded full wrap bars--And there are some that have evident black paint, so possible that at least some were painted--Likely Canadian manufactured. (SXL 925 series, SXL 130 series, others) I have also FINALLY tracked down a full wrap for my Super Mini. Darned hard to come by! Incoming soon and I'll share some more info on it when I get it. May be a VARYING design from the others I have seen.
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Post by tangobravo on Mar 12, 2022 20:56:11 GMT -5
Well----- I finally got in what was advertised as a "Full Wrap Homelite" bar, attached to a Super EZ in only fair condition at best. The seller sent me a bogus full wrap bar that is actually pair of 1/2 wrap bars that are cobbled together in a very poor way. It is a complete disaster and I'm now trying to get the seller to make right on the bad deal. Very disappointed that I have been misled and still looking for an ELUSIVE full wrap bar to adorn the Super Mini. This is one very difficult task!
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Post by MI Old Saw on Mar 13, 2022 0:07:07 GMT -5
What a total bummer. I don’t mind a homebrew handle…some are flat out gorgeous. But, representing something as oem amd having it be far from it is another story. Sorry to hear that.
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Post by tangobravo on Mar 13, 2022 7:47:59 GMT -5
I've put the prime quality standard handle bar bracket and half wrap bar back on again. I'm really thinking this California/ full wrap/west coast stuff is just something I don't ever want to pursue.
This cat is a real tool.
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Post by w30bob on Mar 13, 2022 9:35:45 GMT -5
Hi TB, Is this the bar you bought? Reason I ask is it's the only one I see having sold on eBay recently and I'd like to know what a bogus full wrap bar looks like. This one looks to be made in two pieces (although they tried to slide the rubber over the top seam and hide it, where I think you're saying the real deal is one piece. If so, someone really went out of their way to make a fake. Can't say if it was intentional or someone wanted a full wrap and couldn't find one, and got innovative.....but it shows we REALLY need to look closely at what the heck we're buying on eBay. thanks, bob
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Post by tangobravo on Mar 13, 2022 10:35:16 GMT -5
Here is what showed up yesterday. Looks like a match to your pic W30bob. It is listed : "West Coast Vintage Homelite Super EZ Auto Full Wrap 16" Bar Sez GREAT SHAPE!! Deceitful slimeball from Red Boiling Springs Tennessee deceptive title. NOT "West Coast" NOT "Full Wrap" NOT "16" guide bar (is 14") NOT "GREAT SHAPE!!" Has the taller half wrap bar support on it. Necessary with half wrap bars. I took the bar off and it is made of 2 half wrap bars, that has a copper tube stuffed in the 2 joint areas. There is a screw into the upper joint and a long pan head bolt attaching to the support. The lower has misaligned hole on the right side, a bent up left side and loose right cushion padding. Complete messy, poor quality attempt to mislead me. Complete falsification and not communicating back to me now.
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Post by w30bob on Mar 13, 2022 12:46:42 GMT -5
Hi TB,
I've had similar things happen to me on eBay, and unlike the eBay of old.....they intervened each time to my satisfaction. Contact the seller like you did, and then if he doesn't reply in 3 days ask eBay to intervene. You sound like a pro at eBay, but if you need any help just shout. It works in your favor if the seller doesn't reply to your messages. Ebay will review your correspondence and see the seller is not dealing in good faith. Usually the seller gets pressured from eBay to do the right thing, and if not eBay has always refunded my money. So don't quit just yet, you still have options. Just be clear in your messages what the problem is and avoid the name calling and swearing (I learned that the hard way). This way when they review your messages they'll see you're a solid buyer and the seller is being a schmuck.
regards, bob
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Post by tangobravo on Mar 13, 2022 13:45:40 GMT -5
Appreciate the kind words and advice Bob. Very characteristic of all those here. I'll be contacting Ebay about this completely counterfeit misrepresentation to cheat me and hope that I can get it resolved in a reasonable solution.
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Post by tangobravo on Mar 22, 2022 13:17:24 GMT -5
Well, after a LOT of emailing back and forth and help from Ebay, a resolution to my full wrap bar debacle is at hand. The Ebay seller presented a deceptive ad for a West Coast Super EZ Full Wrap bar saw. It was NOT West Coast and it was NOT Full Wrap. This thing showed up with 2 very poorly executed, hap-hazardly joined half wrap bars. I was very disappointed to find it was not a genuine full wrap bar!
I was able to attain a full refund, but there are truly no winners in these deals. It has left a bad taste for me and I am sick of trying to find one of these full wrap bars. They just are not common and is likely that you will need to buy a complete saw to ever obtain one! Don't think I EVER want to see another one again- It will just bring bad recollections now to see one---
Experience with this will be helpful for others out there hopefully. If you desire a GENUINE full wrap bar watch for the following:
The full wrap bar is assymmetrical. The left side has a nice continuous curve to it. The right side has sharper bends and a straighter vertical section between them. Also the padding does NOT extend down around the lower bends on the left and right sides. The full wrap bar sits at a lower height, and requires handle support # 65035 (early) or #70303 (later replacement) These supports are around 1/2 inch shorter length. The full wrap bar is parted right next to the right side lower attachment bolt. A cobbled pair of half wraps will likely be in a different place between the 2 lower bolts. If you find bar support #68734 or #70307 is on the saw, it will likely be on a cobbled pair of half wrap bars which are taller.
Hope this will help people in finding a full wrap bar and avoiding the disappointment in a put together pair of half bars!
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Post by w30bob on Mar 22, 2022 19:22:17 GMT -5
Hi Tango
Glad to hear you got SOME resolution to the issue and thanks for the info on the West Coast bar. Don't let the experience put a damper on your search for such an animal.....it's the hunt that makes it fun. And sellers have been misleading buyers since the first deal was struck....it's par for the course. So enjoy the hunt. If I run across such a bar in my wanderings I'll surely grab it for you, as I can see it would mean way more to you than to me. And the more people looking, the better the odds.
If it's any consolation to you......I learned something from all this. I never heard of a 'West Coast' Homelite anything.......so I'm smarter for it. Thanks for that.
regards, bob
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Post by tangobravo on Mar 22, 2022 19:52:15 GMT -5
Thanks Bob. Hope the information can be useful for others here. Blasted hard to find some of these parts though. I really was unhappy being deceived on this latest adventure. A great wasted effort, but I didn't lose much more than a LOT of time on this one. Could have been out over 2 C-notes on this. Some people are out to take you if they can. Be careful what you are buying. Tom
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Post by Clasec on Mar 22, 2022 22:14:32 GMT -5
Well, after a LOT of emailing back and forth and help from Ebay, a resolution to my full wrap bar debacle is at hand. The Ebay seller presented a deceptive ad for a West Coast Super EZ Full Wrap bar saw. It was NOT West Coast and it was NOT Full Wrap. This thing showed up with 2 very poorly executed, hap-hazardly joined half wrap bars. I was very disappointed to find it was not a genuine full wrap bar! I was able to attain a full refund, but there are truly no winners in these deals. It has left a bad taste for me and I am sick of trying to find one of these full wrap bars. They just are not common and is likely that you will need to buy a complete saw to ever obtain one! Don't think I EVER want to see another one again- It will just bring bad recollections now to see one--- Experience with this will be helpful for others out there hopefully. If you desire a GENUINE full wrap bar watch for the following: The full wrap bar is assymmetrical. The left side has a nice continuous curve to it. The right side has sharper bends and a straighter vertical section between them. Also the padding does NOT extend down around the lower bends on the left and right sides. The full wrap bar sits at a lower height, and requires handle support # 65035 (early) or #70303 (later replacement) These supports are around 1/2 inch shorter length. The full wrap bar is parted right next to the right side lower attachment bolt. A cobbled pair of half wraps will likely be in a different place between the 2 lower bolts. If you find bar support #68734 or #70307 is on the saw, it will likely be on a cobbled pair of half wrap bars which are taller. Hope this will help people in finding a full wrap bar and avoiding the disappointment in a put together pair of half bars! Here is a picture of a full wrap on a EZ250. EZ 250 Full Wrap-1 by Clasec, on Flickr
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Post by tangobravo on Mar 22, 2022 22:22:33 GMT -5
Appreciate the picture to add to the discussion. Very helpful for visualization. Thanks Clasec
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Post by Clasec on Mar 22, 2022 22:24:25 GMT -5
Happy to help.
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Post by w30bob on Mar 22, 2022 22:29:17 GMT -5
Hi Clasec,
Yeah, thanks for the pic. Any chance you could rotate that bad boy just a bit so I could see what Tango was talking about when he said a 'West Coast' saw also had a different muffler? I'm guessing those muffs are even rarer than the full wrap bar!
thanks, bob
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Post by Clasec on Mar 23, 2022 0:48:08 GMT -5
This one has the reed muffler. I don't believe the EZ250 used the shielded muffler like the SEZ did. EZ 250Full Wrap 3 by Clasec, on Flickr
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Post by tangobravo on Mar 23, 2022 7:35:11 GMT -5
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Post by tangobravo on Mar 23, 2022 8:02:08 GMT -5
Here's Leons Westy circa 1980 with the later muffler design:
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