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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 4, 2021 12:55:26 GMT -5
I'm installing the seals on this xl 102. I want to confirm that the clutch side is CR 6130? It rolled big time and seems really tight.
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 4, 2021 13:11:54 GMT -5
I also found a small ballbearing inside the gas tank. Any ideas?
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Post by charles on Feb 4, 2021 14:21:27 GMT -5
Homelite # 58308 is used on many saws , including the SXL AO saws and the CR/SKF 6130 is listed as suitable , but my calipers show the
crankshaft seal area on the clutch side to be 0.654" +/- which is 21/32" not 0.625" (5/8') . People have used this seal with varying
success and being undersize is why it is rolling on you . The sharp edge in the crankshaft doesn't help much either . Measure your saw's crankshaft
and see if you get the same measurement .
Charles
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 4, 2021 14:32:55 GMT -5
Yea I also got 21/32 ID, 15/16 OD, 1/8 thick.
Edited to show all dimensions.
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 4, 2021 16:05:25 GMT -5
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Post by charles on Feb 4, 2021 17:06:40 GMT -5
Close but no cigar on anything I have found also ! On a saw that won't get much use , the CR 6130 might work OK . On a working
saw , I would question if the seal would hold up or end up grooving the crankshaft ? Oiling the crankshaft might make the CR 6130 a bit easier
to install . There are seal manufactures advertising custom made seals on the I-net . I wonder if there is enough interest in having
the proper size seals made ? I would buy a few if the cost is reasonable .
Charles
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 4, 2021 18:44:51 GMT -5
I imagine there would be a lot of interest. All of the saws are popular and most need seals by now.I have rebuilt four sxl and none have had a problem with the 6130. Im going to keep digging.
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 4, 2021 19:21:34 GMT -5
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Post by Clasec on Feb 4, 2021 19:56:08 GMT -5
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Post by edju1958 on Feb 4, 2021 20:09:31 GMT -5
Here's a link to a cross reference chart here on HoH.My magnifier won't work right,so couldn't tell if the XL-102 was on the list. |
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 4, 2021 20:43:23 GMT -5
The original seal is 58308-A (NLA). The seal people are using is SKF 6130 Which has an ID of .625. The actual shaft diameter is .654. On a taperd crank shaft the seal slides on. It will and is tight but we make it work. On the XL100 series saws the crank shaft has a step instead of taper. The tight seal of the SKF 6130 or others with the same deminsions do not work.
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 4, 2021 20:55:50 GMT -5
Here is a picture.  |
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Post by timinnb on Feb 4, 2021 21:46:27 GMT -5
I bought a couple of them and they sent me 12282-A seals. I emailed them on the problem but never heard anything back. |
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 4, 2021 22:14:21 GMT -5
I did buy one so hopefully it's correct. $9 shipping.  |
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Post by xl130 on Feb 5, 2021 7:22:51 GMT -5
Great tip given by fossil on getting seals over the step. Build up a taper with electrical tape and oil the inside lip and oil the crankshaft. Sounds a built weird but works very good on that particular crankshaft.
A touch of white lithium grease on the inner lip to prevent the spring from popping out of place will help. I don’t think SKF6130 has a spring though....
I’ve heard mixed opinions on grease but have personally have not had any problems.
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 5, 2021 9:30:32 GMT -5
Ive been trying to figure out something like that but hadn't nailed down a solid approach. Thank you!
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Post by xl130 on Feb 5, 2021 9:56:43 GMT -5
Seal install is a bit frustrating for sure. I’ve wrecked a heck of a lot more than my share!
I recently found a bit of a hack for the clutch side that worked pretty good on my C-51.
I got the seal in over the lip and as straight as possible by hand and then used a large washer against the seal and pressed it in with the clutch. I put a healthy amount of grease between the washer and seal so that only the washer would turn once you start to generate some friction force. SLOW is the key. Make very sure that the washer is contacting the inner lip of the seal or as close as possible and straight or else you could easily wreck the seal. Once the washer bottoms out you can switch to a smaller washer and tap it in as deep as it needs to go or use the small washer, large washer and clutch to press it on further.
Good luck with whichever method you try!
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 9, 2021 0:31:55 GMT -5
The new seal came in today. I haven't put a caliper to it yet but it came in a plain little Ziploc and looks fairly new. As long as it fits im happy. I won't have a chance to finish until this weekend but it should turn out pretty nice.
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 13, 2021 20:03:25 GMT -5
The seal they sent was a perfect fit for the flywheel side. It was advertised as the clutch side. 58308B. Disappointed. I will contact them. I used it on the flywheel.
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Post by jasonrkba on Feb 20, 2021 19:42:47 GMT -5
I finally got a seal on. I used the 6130 and failed one more time before success. Im wondering if a metric seal would work better. Harwel makes a 16x24x04
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