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Post by xl130 on Dec 15, 2020 22:15:04 GMT -5
Are there more than one style of starter for the 707d?
Some of the photos that I’ve been looking at show a metal cup style cover and the other look like a Fairbanks Morse starter without the metal cup
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Post by rowdy235 on Dec 15, 2020 22:26:15 GMT -5
I believe both the F-M and overrunning bearing starters were used on those series of saws. I have a 707g which has the F-M starter, but I had a 770g that had the overrunning bearing type, as did the 707d I bought for parts.
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Post by xl130 on Dec 15, 2020 22:33:55 GMT -5
This is a FM correct? Does this look like the proper starter for a 707? I’ve never messed with one of these before. Starter won’t engage. Possibly assembled wrong or the teeth are worn out? Attachments:
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Post by rowdy235 on Dec 15, 2020 22:35:56 GMT -5
Yes, it appears to be a F-M unit. They are "fun" to say the least. I'd check the IPL and make sure everything is there and assembled correctly. You can sharpen the teeth with a file but if they're worn out to the point of not engaging they may need to be replaced.
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Post by edju1958 on Dec 15, 2020 23:34:12 GMT -5
I've been working on another brand of saw (Remington) that I think they used the F-M starter on every saw they produced.They are a fun starter to disassemble & reassemble once ya get the hang of it.I think I've seen every possible wrong way to put a starter together,Lol.The order in which it goes together is:brake spring goes on the shaft first,then both fiber washers,then the pawl assembly,then there might be a huge flat washer on some of the bigger saws like your C series,then the E clip on top.When disassembling the unit as soon as the E clip is off it'll release the tension on the brake spring & a lot of parts could get airborne.I can probably do one of these blindfolded now,Lol.If you get stuck,give me a shout,glad to help.One important thing to remember is to NEVER lube the F-M starter.If anything it'll need to be cleaned up & remove old gunk that gets encrusted in the starter unit over the course of 40-50 yrs.Something VERY important to remember is before you pull it all apart,pull the rope while the starter is off the saw (slowly) & look to see if the pawls are kicking outward.If they seem to want to stay in or move inward,then the pawl assembly is on upside down.If they're kicking outward as if to engage against the cup,then when you pull the pawl assembly off make sure you keep it in the upright position.Otherwise you may have a difficult time trying to figure out which way it goes back on.Rowdy mentioned about filing the teeth (pawls),you can also remove those little springs,pull the pawls off & flip them over & then reassemble,but getting those keepers & little spring back on are quite the challenge.
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Post by xl130 on Dec 16, 2020 6:50:13 GMT -5
Thanks guys! I took the easy route and scavenged the shoes and parts from a starter assembly off of a parts saw I had where the unit was actually working properly. I’ll have to take a few minutes and really look at the shoes that came out of the 707 to see what’s going on there and possibly keep them as parts.
There was definitely a couple of different washers and bushing between the two saws.
Once I put everything into the 707 it turns everything over great!
The saw is producing spark and the tank is clean so maybe I’ll get luck and the saw will now run.....
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Post by ronaldt on Dec 16, 2020 7:03:07 GMT -5
I wish my 707 had the FM style starter. They have their issues from time to time but are easier to service in my opinion.
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Post by martind28 on Dec 16, 2020 9:45:29 GMT -5
My 600D was not engaging at all and I put washers under the cover, which moves the pawls away from the cup a slight bit, thus changing the engagement point. It has worked perfectly since.
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Post by edju1958 on Dec 16, 2020 10:31:22 GMT -5
I just had a starter that I could tell right from the first glance that it was put together wrong,so I took it apart.This is the order in which they had it assembled - 2 fiber washers,then the brake spring,then pawl assembly,then big flat washer,then E clip.Needless to say I'm fairly certain that because it was assembled improperly the rewind spring was broken.I replaced the rewind spring,then reassembled the starter in the correct order (brake spring then 2 fiber washers,then pawl assembly),but for the life of me I couldn't get that big flat washer that covers the pawl assembly to depress down enough to get the E clip on.I had to leave the big flat washer off,then I put the E clip on & it works fine now.On some of the smaller Remington saws there is no big flat washer on top of the pawl assembly,so I figured the big flat washer wasn't that crucial.
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Post by xl130 on Dec 16, 2020 10:56:47 GMT -5
There was no big washer on the 707. Big washer on the working c-51 that I used. Looked like someone had sharpened the edges of the 707. Anyone see anything out of place in the second photo? This is the one I used that worked. Attachments:
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Post by xl130 on Dec 17, 2020 11:22:43 GMT -5
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Post by ronaldt on Dec 17, 2020 11:47:17 GMT -5
Beautiful noice!!
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Post by edju1958 on Dec 17, 2020 13:46:26 GMT -5
Sounds great,nice job! BTW the starter looked fine.
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Post by xl130 on Dec 17, 2020 20:28:16 GMT -5
Sounds great,nice job! BTW the starter looked fine. The cup was messed as well. Luckily I had a decent starter assembly to put on. These started certainly are different than what I’m used to. It seems to slip a bit. It seems like you need to pull slowly to engage the teeth on the cup then rip the cord. |
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Post by edju1958 on Dec 17, 2020 20:41:56 GMT -5
That's exactly how they work.
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Post by sparky on Dec 18, 2020 16:55:21 GMT -5
What are you using for bar and chain? Might work on my Zip. Nice running saw! You could cut logs with that beast.
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Post by xl130 on Dec 18, 2020 17:06:23 GMT -5
What are you using for bar and chain? Might work on my Zip. Nice running saw! You could cut logs with that beast. That’s a 24” Windsor with .404. D096 mount. I think the adjustment pin has been flipped so that it lines up with the bar opening. I think the saw needs some fuel system love but it cut pretty good when took it out to cut later that day. First two cuts were a bit too lean. Once the saw has enough gas she’s got some grrrr! youtu.be/RpbOou3wvM0 |
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Post by sparky on Dec 19, 2020 9:15:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. Yeah I noticed when it got a good shot of fuel it would spit out the sawdust lol!
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Post by Jarhead ☠ on Dec 31, 2020 18:59:20 GMT -5
When you pull the cord do the pawls come out?
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Post by Jarhead ☠ on Dec 31, 2020 19:01:32 GMT -5
A lot of times the 2 fiber discs are greasy and need to be cleaned and use sandpaper to rough it up.
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